218358 Bullies, 8104 online  
  • Register
Our Sponsors:

Results 1 to 9 of 9
Sponsored Links Spacer Image
  1. Bonesworth is offline

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Wrong hemisphere
    Posts
    5

    Posted On:
    2/05/2012 1:22pm

    Bullshido Newbie
     Style: BJJ

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    Judo: impressions from Paris Grand Slam

    First, some background:

    Look I'm a beginner in BJJ, having taking it for only 2 months, now... So, I might be saying some serious bullshit here...

    So these are the impressions from a member with no experience in judo.

    And please, I AM NOT SAYING: "LOL! JUDO SUCKS, BJJ ALL THE WAY, LOL!!!11!

    Now to the post:

    My stand up game sucks and in order to improve it I have been looking at some others MA's.

    Of course, I looked at Judo. I researched it and the more I read more I was becoming interested.

    I read the (really good) posts writted by many members, such as judokag_uk, hungryjoe, 1point2, Coach Josh, guys who not only defended Judo as a legit useful MA, but as a tool useful for self-defense.

    I had made my mind: I would give Judo a try...

    Until, I saw part of the Paris Grand Slam (five or six fights I think) today... Really guys, what happened to all those effective moves we see guys debating or posting videos in youtube?

    The athletes seem to just grab it others jacket, pushed, pulled and kicked! The only move they could pull off was an o-soto-gari! They always seemed to try win by making the other one commit a fault!

    No submissions, pins, throws or the so-dynamic judo fight. It was more of a sumo fight.

    That really made me think: If those athletes prefer not to use any of the techniques they learned, why anyone would want to learn them?

    Or am I wrong and they didn't use them because the IJF made the rules so strict that took they off and judo is much more than that?

    Is that good judo or bad judo?
  2. Res Judicata is offline

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    1,642

    Posted On:
    2/05/2012 2:31pm


     Style: Judo & BJJ

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    You won't hear too many defenses of how modern Judo competition looks. The rules are ****.

    But you should bear in mind that one of the things you're seeing is very good people stalemating each other. Have you seen a lot of modern BJJ? Ugh. Sambo seems to have the most dynamic ruleset, but maybe that merely my perception from not having done Sambo.

    Any of those individuals--even the tiny women--would ruin you on a mat.

    Judo is a lot of fun and (IMHO) better for self-defense than BJJ. You should give it a whirl.
  3. Petter is offline

    12th level logic wielder

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Vancouver, BC
    Posts
    1,964

    Posted On:
    2/05/2012 2:49pm


     Style: BJJ, judo, rapier

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Judo beginner in the extreme here, but---

    Just by looking through the video and looking at a few seconds at a time entirely at random for about five minutes, I saw all kinds of very aggressive and dynamic grip fighting, some uchimata and sumigaeshi attempts, a beautiful cross-body armbar/jujigatame, a bunch of drop seio nage (or seio otoshi, I'm too n00bish to know distinctions), lots of ashiwaza/sweep battles, some very aggressive newaza... (I didn't see any osoto gari, but I'm sure they're in there, as you say.)

    Of course what I didn't see was a series of effortless, textbook techniques such as you'd pull off in nagekomi with a compliant partner, in randori, or in shiai against a much inferior opponent, because it's obviously fucking hard to pull those off against elite competitors doing their damnedest to block you, who've seen all your techniques before (and may have studied you specifically to know what to expect), and even with the goal and knowledge of perfect textbook technique you'll only succeed by adding strength and desperation and by the skin of your teeth. Because that's what elite level defence does to your offence, especially when no mean part of that defence aims specifically to prevent you from even getting the grips you want to throw with. (And of course you see a limited selection of judo throws; it's well known that a small subset of the full catalogue form the high percentage core popular in shiai: Uchimata, seio nage, and so on; not so much yama arashi, uki otoshi, and yoko wakare.)

    It's not too dissimilar from the way BJJ techniques we drill in class look different from how they end up looking in sparring against tough opponents, which is different again from what they look like in competition when stakes are higher, resistance is maximised, people go all out for five or six or seven minutes rather than conserving energy for another hour of training, and people will ignore minor injuries that they'd tap to in training.
    [ petterhaggholm.net | blog | essays ]
    [ self defence: general thoughts | bjj: “don’t go to the ground”? ]
    “The plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data.”
  4. judoka_uk is offline
    judoka_uk's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    England
    Posts
    4,658

    Posted On:
    2/05/2012 4:09pm

    Join us... or die
     Style: Judo

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I had made my mind: I would give BJJ a try...

    Until, I saw part of the Mundials (five or six fights I think) today... Really guys, what happened to all those effective moves we see guys debating or posting videos in youtube?

    The athletes seem to just grab each others jacket, sat down, pushed, pulled and played with each others legs ! The only move they could pull off was a scramble. They always seemed to try win by making up points not going for submissions!

    No submissions, throws or the so-dynamic BJJ fight. It was more of a two slugs mating.

    That really made me think: If those athletes prefer not to use any of the techniques they learned, why anyone would want to learn them?
  5. Bonesworth is offline

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Wrong hemisphere
    Posts
    5

    Posted On:
    2/05/2012 4:56pm

    Bullshido Newbie
     Style: BJJ

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Judicata, I never said anything about those guys' skills. I have no doubt that they would grind me alive! And yes, I think Judo to be more suitable to a self-defense situation.

    Petter, I know I wouldn't be able to tell apart a one technique from another... Apparently, my country specialist commentator in judo can't either. For her everything was an O-soto-gari... It was the only thing she could say. ("She tried an O-soto gari!", "he failed in his o-soto-gari!"). And yes, you are right about the fact that those guys are elite competitors and probably know all those techniques and how to block them.


    judoka_uk, calm down man, I said I wasn't trying to offend anyone, sorry if I sounded like an ass.

    (I laughed at the "two slugs mating", though).

    Also, I heard many people complaining about the "new rules are **** and stuff"... Are they really that bad?
  6. judoka_uk is offline
    judoka_uk's Avatar

    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    England
    Posts
    4,658

    Posted On:
    2/05/2012 5:26pm

    Join us... or die
     Style: Judo

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesworth View Post

    judoka_uk, calm down man, I said I wasn't trying to offend anyone, sorry if I sounded like an ass.

    (I laughed at the "two slugs mating", though)
    I'm not angry merely satirising your post.

    Why not re-watch today's matches



    Maybe on second viewing of the whole day you'll see what you missed on first viewing.

    I'm watching Bischof vs Toma as I type and Bischof has secured Toma in a super tight hold down from a quality turnover.

    If you don't fancy rewatching 10 hours of Judo how about watching this nice throw to sub transition from Riner of France.

  7. Bonesworth is offline

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Wrong hemisphere
    Posts
    5

    Posted On:
    2/05/2012 5:50pm

    Bullshido Newbie
     Style: BJJ

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Unfortunately, I am not allowed to see the first video (the IJF channel thinks my country is too barbaric and uncivilized to allow me to see it...)

    However, I saw the second one...

    I will attend to a judo class this week.
  8. Ming Loyalist is offline
    Ming Loyalist's Avatar

    solves problems with violence

    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    4,237

    Posted On:
    2/05/2012 7:29pm

    supporting member
     Style: Judo, Hung Family Boxing

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    If you don't fancy rewatching 10 hours of Judo
    are you suggesting that anyone might *not* want to rewatch 10 hours of judo? i find that ludicrous.
    "Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
    "When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
    "Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
    "Seriously, who gives a **** what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj
  9. Prone is offline
    Prone's Avatar

    Registered Member

    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Hamburg, Germany
    Posts
    925

    Posted On:
    2/06/2012 7:23am


     Style: BJJ / Kyokushinkai Karate

    --
    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Loyalist View Post
    i find that ludicrous.
    Seconded ;)

    I watched a few minutes of the first video, great game right in the beginning. Not as boring to watch as a lot of BJJ games on the ground. And that's coming from a BJJ nutrider who is just starting Judo in March ;)

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Powered by vBulletin™© contact@vbulletin.com vBulletin Solutions, Inc. 2011 All rights reserved.