Transitioning to MMA from Kickboxing

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 2/03/2012 1:04am

Originally Posted by jdempsey

Do you mean it retards their learning or keeps wresters from advancing on you.

LOL, retards their advancement.

**gregaquaman** · Posted On: 2/03/2012 1:59am

Originally Posted by jdempsey

Is that after you throw your own punch?

Eg.I throw Jab cross hook. Double leg.

Jab cross single leg.

We dont shoot without there being an oportunity. Eg they have punched and you have slipped under. Or a distraction. Striking into takedown.

The idea is to be kicking punching grappling and submiting all at the same time rather than have strike mode. Grapple mode. Ground mode.

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 2/03/2012 9:49am

Originally Posted by gregaquaman

Eg.I throw Jab cross hook. Double leg.

Jab cross single leg.

We dont shoot without there being an oportunity. Eg they have punched and you have slipped under. Or a distraction. Striking into takedown.

The idea is to be kicking punching grappling and submiting all at the same time rather than have strike mode. Grapple mode. Ground mode.

Ah, I read it as you were countering. I did suspect this too.

**robdaze151** · Posted On: 2/03/2012 10:22am

Originally Posted by gregaquaman

Omega is right but here are some simple drills to get you going.

Double leg/single leg. And defence.

Pummeling for underhooks.

Our rule of thumb. Double leg is attempted after a left hand strike. Single leg after a right hand strike.
Shoot either if you are striking or they are. Not just when you are standing there.

I kind of see where you're getting at but wouldn't this theory change if you are an orthodox fighter fighting a southpaw? or if there are 2 southis going at it?

**gregaquaman** · Posted On: 2/03/2012 11:14am

Originally Posted by robdaze151

I kind of see where you're getting at but wouldn't this theory change if you are an orthodox fighter fighting a southpaw? or if there are 2 southis going at it?

Yes there are other tweeks. But as far as getting a Muai thai fighter some grounding in MMA. It is not a bad rule.

**gregaquaman** · Posted On: 2/03/2012 11:15am

Originally Posted by Omega Supreme

Ah, I read it as you were countering. I did suspect this too.

Yeah I thought I was putting the wrong message across.

**jdempsey** · Posted On: 2/03/2012 7:59pm

Originally Posted by gregaquaman

Eg.I throw Jab cross hook. Double leg.

Jab cross single leg.

We dont shoot without there being an oportunity. Eg they have punched and you have slipped under. Or a distraction. Striking into takedown.

The idea is to be kicking punching grappling and submiting all at the same time rather than have strike mode. Grapple mode. Ground mode.

Cool. Making them think high and go low.

I can see how it could work in reverse- I used to "shoulder but?" under the punch of a charging fighter.

**gregaquaman** · Posted On: 2/03/2012 8:37pm

Originally Posted by jdempsey

Cool. Making them think high and go low.

I can see how it could work in reverse- I used to "shoulder but?" under the punch of a charging fighter.

The horns of a dillema. It sort of means that whatever you are working for sets you up for something else. Again in its simplest terms you can almost tic tac from one to the other untill you get a result. Really good for dumb people like me who don't have hundreds of moves in my toolbox.

The shoulder butt is the same concept. Mechanicly a bit different. You want to watch yourself bending forwards at the waist. And for claritys sake I will say because it opens you up for the guillotine.

All of our shoots are supposed to look like a workplace box lift.

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 2/03/2012 9:19pm

I'm going to be addressing some of these things with this month's video.

**brclry** · Posted On: 2/04/2012 3:26pm

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The truth of matter is you need total immersion. When you start to get grasp on the wrestling you can then add your new found reflexes into your stand up. The collegiate wrestler needs to learn some basic striking. Then spar mixed. Then get you submission game going. How will you do that? I wouldn't know, I have no idea what resources you have at your disposal.

If kickboxing is your strength you should be concentrating keeping the game standing. When the wrestler takes you down, you need to work on getting up. This is fine in the beginning but you need somebody that knows submissions to also mix it up because you're going to become vulnerable to submissions while trying to escape. There are several striking drills which retard the advancement of most pure wrestlers. Let me know when you're ready for them.
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Thanks, this makes sense. Sounds like I need to work seperately on getting a basic wrestling foundation, and on take down defence from my striking structure. I would be especialy interested in what striking drills retard grappling development, because we are both flying blind, he only knows wrestling, I only know striking.

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Omega is right but here are some simple drills to get you going.

Double leg/single leg. And defence.

Pummeling for underhooks.

Our rule of thumb. Double leg is attempted after a left hand strike. Single leg after a right hand strike.

Shoot either if you are striking or they are. Not just when you are standing there.

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Sounds good. Is there a such thing as striking out of a takedown, with knees, forearms, elbows? or is that just strikers naivete?