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    Monday Motivation: Luck



    Make your own goddamn luck through preparation.

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    That quote is lame and Heinlein is a **** author.
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    How is it lame? That quote is from the 50's, and has been stolen and paraphrased by everyone from athletes to shoe companies.

    Also, **** you. Heinlein rules your face.
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    How is it lame?
    Firstly it assumes that probability is an objective, physical thing, and secondly is sounds so pompous it makes me gag.

    That quote is from the 50's, and has been stolen and paraphrased by everyone from athletes to shoe companies.

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    Athletes and shoe companies - well that changes everything.
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    Probability != luck. And you can objectively increase your chances for success at a task by training for it beforehand. I'm not really sure what your point is here, bro-sauce.

    Did you get beaten with a copy of Starship Troopers as a child? This particular quote is from one of his early, young fiction books about a teenager who wins a freaking space suit and ends up surviving a near-death experience in it because he'd meticulously inspected and tested the thing beforehand.
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    So if you work hard, get well prepared for everything you could possibly foresee and then get killed by an asteroid, Heinlein wouldn't call it bad luck? I think the quote sort of assumes a strawman definition of "luck" as an arbiter of fate in general. I think he probably meant something more along the lines of:

    "Luck obviously 'exists' if defined as referring to the absence of a rational or moral cause behind the subset of outcomes in our lives resulting from the unavoidably stochastic and statistical nature of the universe, but not all things that many people attribute to luck are actually attributable to luck or to luck alone, so maybe we would all be better off not dwelling unduly on the effects of chance but rather attempting to prepare robustly to cope with said statistical universe, after all a wise man once said that a problem without a solution is not a problem, meaning that we can measurably improve our success in life by focusing our energies on pursuing tangible and achievable goals while, conversely, despairing over the proverbial "spilt milk" is likely to be counter-productive, furthermore etc."

    ...but he wanted to say it slightly more awkwardly.

    I agree, though, that all women should prepare for the all too statistically common necessity of bearing aloft and at speed my cringing fetal bulk.
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    The word "Luck" in its common usage implies some type of quasi-metaphysical quality possessed by some and not others.

    And as we all know around here, metaphysics is for first-year philosophy students and late-night informercials.
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    The funny thing about being adequately prepared, is that you only know if your preparations were adequate after the fact.
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    STFU and train quibblers!

    Here's a quote I like better, "The harder I train, the luckier I get."

    I know this flies in the face of what Phrost quoted, but as a guy who had large chunks of his personality forged by reading Heinlein at an early age, I'm okay with that.

    Heinlein's protagonists always had a "no excuses in the realm of personal responsibility" approach to life that I've always firmly believed in myself. Besides that, the man himself was a bit cracked.

    So, instead of debating the semantics of the phrase, or the intent of the person who coined it, consider the underlying message. "Nothing beats hard work when it comes to being prepared."
    Shut the hell up and train.
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