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1)Have you ever been seen by a mental health doctor?
2)Have the diagnosed you with anything?
If no to the first question, go see one. If yes to the first question, what is the answer to the second question?Combatives training log.
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1/23/2012 9:58am
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Since this is newbietown, I'm going to be as gentle as possible.
This is your first false assumption. If you're truly devoted to paranoia, you must increase your situational awareness. Two words you should never forget are the following: Exit Plan.
Yes, but why are you even worried about this? Unless you're being dumb, all you need to do is get your attacker off balance and beat feet.
Among other things, but yeah. Sure.
In the case of the eyes and clavicle this is true, but they can easily be protected effectively. Muscle can help protect the solar plexus.
Arteries, but OK. Again, why is this a concern?
All this is silliness except for the broken bones and you've got to be able to break the bone first. Even then you could be fighting Tim Sylvia.
There are several others. Some you can manipulate, others you can't. The ones you can usually involve blood pressure spikes or interruption of blood flow to the brain.
Sensory overload? What does that even mean in this context?
Yes, but there's a reason that people ball up instinctively when they're hurt. The chances of you doing spinal injury are slim to none, the back is a well constructed area.
Yes, but more applicable here are moment of rotation and momentum. But why does it matter?
Yeah, OK.
Your Mileage May Vary.
Ballistic is really blunt writ large, but if you want a new damage type consider piercing or stabbing. It acts very differently than anything you have listed.
Fine.
Subject to the principles of autonomization/muscle memory, sure.
Perhaps. Depends on how it was disabled. You've got a range here, from tunnel vision or a numb hand to death.
Or the closest. Or the smallest, just to get the numbers down. Or the one who most directly impedes your escape.
Or give them your wallet.
"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks, you'd better run, better run, outrun my gun."
Yeah, OK. Or buy time and run.
Uh huh.
See, one of the problems with this whole thing is that you've built up this false dichotomy... you know what? It's not even a dichotomy. It's fantasizing. There's an entire continuum of potential actions. Why not knock the dude's jaw loose and bail? Why not shove the guy hard and bail? If you're really worried about being attacked overseas, spend time training track and field. The last thing you need to is successfully protect yourself in what you've convinced yourself is a life or death situation and end up in a foreign prison. Also, what Alex said about learning the area. There are places you simply do not need to be, don't go there. If you find yourself in a situation, odds are you have nothing they want other than your money. Give it up and get gone. Done.
In the martial arts side of it, stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Train hard. A sport form like muay thai, boxing, judo, BJJ or anything else that spars live will be fine and give you an advantage over magical thinking and theory.
As for the Spec Ops outfit, do some research on where they're trying to go with the whole Land Warrior/Future Warrior project. It's probably pretty much in line with what you're thinking. -
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1/23/2012 12:47pm
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Thanks for all the insight guys, I appreciate it. I know it seems a bit (not even a bit) over the edge. Some of you probably think me a sociopath right now. Recently one of my friends got beaten pretty badly on one of these trips. I also hear all these stories about Martial arts black belts getting killed when trying to defend themselves. I just want my bases loaded.
For all comments reguarding just punch the face and leave, good plan. That seems to be the general consensus anyway. I also just read the intro to newbies when it came to sparring and martial arts. Informative. I guess I'm just kind of freaking out because I have no idea where I'm going and what I'll be facing. I'm just a fearful kind of kid.
Now the comments reguarding to the vein/artery thing, I guess that was a slip up on my part. I use the names interchangably, though I suppose I shouldn't.
Now for the comment about the mental health thing, I chuckled about that quite a bit. To cease your worries, I am just a finicky nerd, not schizophrenic. No voices in my head or mood disorders.
Finally, the only reason that I'm trying to "re-invent the wheel" Per say is because I have so little time. I'm not sure whether the one and a half year training I had was legitimate or being fake. I figured if I had been learning fake stuff, then I might as well dedicate my self to the most simple form of self defense (gouge the eyes, punch the throat, and run). I can train my reaction time, true, and it's what I'm doing now at the mma gym, but you lose that stuff pretty quick. -
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This is a pretty good book that will help you. No need to do so much reasearch on your own. A lot has already been done. You just need to look in the right places. "The Little Black Book on Violence". I've read it and it has some pretty good stuff in it. I think it is exactly what you should be reading.
http://www.amazon.com/Little-Black-B...7343819&sr=8-6Combatives training log.
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Oh that's perfect! Thanks Diesel_tke.
As for everyone else, sorry about coming across so strangely. I got freaked out when I heard that one of my friends got mugged on one of these trips, and then I found this site that said most martial artists are fake. You guys have managed to calm me down. I'll just train at muy thai and wrestling. Thank you. The odds of me getting mugged are very slim anyway. -
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1/23/2012 3:20pm
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Now a couple of you were curious about the whole F=MA thing, and why it mattered.
Assuming that you are facing a kicker (which all my sparring partners are) the further you are away from them, the longer that kick has to accelerate, and the more force it will hit you with. I think kickers are better to clinch or wrestle with.
and the thing about reactions, the reason I put that is because you could set up combos the second you got a hit that caused a reaction. Hit the gut (solar plexus), the bend over and the head is more available.
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1/23/2012 3:55pm
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This is a common misconception. The blood vessels you're thinking of are the exterior carotid artery and exterior jugular vein. Those are the ones on the outside of your neck on either side of your trachea. There's also internal versions of those structures as well. They enter the skull through the spine; that's why the cervical vertebra have little holes in the sides like this:4.) the only way for blood (and subsequently oxygen and nutrients) can get to the brain is through two veins or arteries in the neck.

While the vertebra below the neck look like this:

If what you're getting at is that targeting the exterior blood vessels of the neck via cutting, trauma or choking, then yes, damaging the ones in the front can be fatal.
To be honest, I would've assumed anyone with a forensics background would know the above info. Any class with bone landmark identification and identifying based on fragments will usually use the cranial vertebra blood vessel holes to distinguish them from thoracic and lumbar vertebra.I used to study criminology when I wanted to be a detective. I know criminal methodology, I know anatomy well
Spinal reactions are not as reliable as some RBSD folks would have you believe. It is not reliable enough to be your main game plan for fighting. For example, I've seen finger jabs to the eyes barely phase the receiver. Other posters have written about kicks to the groin going unnoticed. The problem is that the subject is studied on a human that's not under the same state as an adrenaline fueled attacker.5.)Without training, the body will react automatically when trauma is inflicted to specific areas such as eyes, broken bones, solar plexus, or the face. (I would say the groin or female breasts, but drug use could stop that.)
There's a whole lot of misinformation out there about knockouts, so do lots of research.6.) There are two types of Knock out. The first is a sensory overload and the second is a concussion.
No. This is another thing that kinda jumps out from a criminology/anatomy expert.7.) The spine is responsible for all movement.
I see where this is going, but there's a big caveat that you can't get the same force with all the striking surfaces of the body. For example, nearly everyone would be able to apply far more force with a punch than with the same motion ending in a spearhand or ipponken/phoenix eye.9.)Force inflicts more damage if the same force is sent through a smaller contact point. (A punch and elbow with the same force would cause differing damage due to the surface area able to take the blow.)
I don't see how dividing attacks into 5 types is helpful in any way. You don't have weapon defense: vol 1-5 to look at when a weapon attack is coming, so an index page won't help you either. Also: fire-based weapons. Also, ballistic weapons can be edged or blunt.11.)there are likely only 5 types of attacks somone can run into.
Temporary disablement will cause temporary disablement.14.) temporary disablement of a vital system will either cause a knockout or death.
After that one, it seems like you're just collecting if/then truisms, which I don't think are very useful. Every situation is different.Last edited by Permalost; 1/23/2012 3:58pm at .
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1/23/2012 4:22pm

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Yeah, most of this stuff can be interesting to read or think about. But the best way to learn them is through live sparring with people. Matter of fact, you will probably find that a lot of good fighters have know idea what this stuff means, but that they still do them correctly. You don't necessarily have to know the "why" on some of these things.
All the knowledge in the world means nothing if you don't spar in an alive manner. The knowledge doesn't transfer to muscle memory without repetitions.Combatives training log.
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Posted On:
1/24/2012 11:54am
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Huh.., I need toget rid of that anatomy book.. Obviously, i learned from the wrong one. So many people have noticed innacuracies that I didn't know. Right on. This is why I like being a newbie. I can admit that I don't know as much as I thought. Are any of you proficient with the seisan Kata, and Seiunchin Kata (While I learned anatomy from a book, I learned Kata and a variety of strikes from an actual dojo). Are they good to know at all? Or would it be more efficient to forget them and just hit the gym sparring (after sufficient instruction.)?



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