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    Pic of the What: Giving Him the Jiu-Jitsu

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    Political cartoon from the early 1900's commenting on the Russo-Japanese war.

    Take note of the way Jiujitsu is spelled and hyphenated. There's a lot of nonsensical debate about this; which is nonsensical because spelling isn't indicative of anything other than various attempts to phonetically recreate the Japanese word into English.

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    I feel strangely compelled to point out that the cartoonist drew the Japanese fellow's leg in front of the Russian's leg instead of the back where it should be to make that throw work.
    Shut the hell up and train.
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    True. Did you also notice the Russian's left arm being turned through a number of circles? Mmmm, the artistic licence of the caricaturist...

    Who now remembers the "J" manoeuvre when the Japanese Fleet bested the Russian Fleet?

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    most likely this is not a technical drawing of a specific throw because the cartoonist was told that the yellow skinned slanty eyed people* do some sort of wrestling with weird hand strikes that he had only seen in other cartoonist drawings. And neither would his audience know the difference between a ridge hand and a knife hand.

    *1900 = racism is normal / accepted theory of the time
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    There's an old book called "Dirty Fighting" by some military guy, and the illustrations are all done cartoonishly. When twisting the arm, it has it wrapped up like a rope, and the mandatory pic of the guy showing the striking points is, no joke, Adolph Hitler. Over the top German and Japanese stereotypes abound.


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    More interesting than the spelling of Jujutsu is that it is referred to as 'the Jiu jitsu' not 'Jiu jitsu'. Its an odd phraseology, because you wouldn't say 'the boxing' or 'the wrestling'. To me it implies that 'Jiu jitsu' was seen as something other than merely a method of fighting. Would be interesting to see if the historiography bears me out.

    Also seems 'giving people the Jiu Jitsu' was fairly common at the time.


    Cartoon entitled 'Giving him the Jiu Jitsu'
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    Seems like the idea is that it's a secret Japanese technique, not a style of fighting.
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    The English version of Jiu Jitsu is like all those names that were mispelled at Ellis Island in the early days of this country by an under educated goverment work.
    I have a friend who's name was misspelled when she was born so her name became Rizel.
    There is always a factor like this do to human nature at its best.
    That misspelled made Rizel a special person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinwall View Post
    The English version of Jiu Jitsu is like all those names that were mispelled at Ellis Island in the early days of this country by an under educated goverment work.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it come down to the Romanization system being used, thus jiu jitsu, jujutsu, jiujitsu are all correct? That's hardly the same issue as what was going on at Ellis Island.
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