gradings

**LINZ1958** · Posted On: 4/08/2011 8:37am

Hi All

I am still really enjoying my training in Taekwondo and last Saturday (2nd April 2011) I did my second grading and I found out on wednesday 6th April that I had passed, now I am a Green Tag in Taekwondo and have to learn a new pattern called Jung Shin and this pattern has got more complicated moves and blocks in it but I like a challenge.

**PizDoff** · Posted On: 4/08/2011 11:02am

It has been just under two months since you were promoted to a yellow belt. I'm curious if this is standard progression in time for your martial art and schoo?

Thank you.

**Snake Plissken** · Posted On: 4/08/2011 11:07am

Originally Posted by LINZ1958

Hi All

I am still really enjoying my training in Taekwondo and last Saturday (2nd April 2011) I did my second grading and I found out on wednesday 6th April that I had passed, now I am a Green Tag in Taekwondo

what Piz asked.

and have to learn a new pattern called Jung Shin and this pattern has got more complicated moves and blocks in it but I like a challenge.

What have you been told the importance of the pattern is and what importance do you place upon it?

**whatever123** · Posted On: 4/08/2011 3:36pm

Originally Posted by Snake Plissken

What have you been told the importance of the pattern is and what importance do you place upon it?

Unfortunately in lots of Karate & Tae Kwon Do schools you won't get much more than the usual "It's good for balance precision, co-ordination, conditioning"

**Snake Plissken** · Posted On: 4/08/2011 3:45pm

Originally Posted by whatever123

Unfortunately in lots of Karate & Tae Kwon Do schools you won't get much more than the usual "It's good for balance precision, co-ordination, conditioning"

Yeah, I know. I am wondering if his instructor is giving him any other benefit, although based on the speed of his ranking, I doubt it.

Since he was stating it has "more complicated moves" he should be told some manner of beneficial necessity in order to gain any value from it.

**PizDoff** · Posted On: 4/08/2011 4:59pm

I agree with what Snake was asking. I'm really curious myself whenever I learn a new technique, to understand how it works in the 'big picture.'

**whatever123** · Posted On: 4/08/2011 5:08pm

Originally Posted by Snake Plissken

Yeah, I know. I am wondering if his instructor is giving him any other benefit, although based on the speed of his ranking, I doubt it.

Since he was stating it has "more complicated moves" he should be told some manner of beneficial necessity in order to gain any value from it.

My only experience (which is still very limited as I am only yellow belt) in Tae Kwon Do is Jhoon Rhee Tae Kwon Do. They have two types of forms Traditional (forms in traditional stances most likely derived from Karate forms) & Modern form (new forms don't know if they were created by Jhoon Rhee himself or by other instructors) & no explanation other than the above mentioned.

Even in Kyokushin you wouldn't get much beyond the above plus some explanation of the purpose of the moves but no complete explanation for them. I even heard that in Japan in some Dojos they rarely do any Kata other than memorizing prior to grading.

**LINZ1958** · Posted On: 4/10/2011 5:25am

Hi

when I did my first grading it was in december 2010 and then was when I got double promoted straight to yellow belt, at my club if you train twice a week you are eligble to grade every 3 months so it has defintiely been more than two months since my last grading because I did the last grading last week (April 2nd).

there is nothing wrong with grading every 3 months if you put the training and effort in and the patterns we learn are very important because they would help you in a real life situation.

**Snake Plissken** · Posted On: 4/10/2011 8:50am

Originally Posted by LINZ1958

there is nothing wrong with grading every 3 months if you put the training and effort in

No, there is nothing wrong provided you look, move and fight like a lower-midlevel member of that rank. Just because you "know your pattern" or put in your time and your checks cleared doesn't mean that you earned that ranking.

the patterns we learn are very important because they would help you in a real life situation.

No, they don't.

**Snake Plissken** · Posted On: 4/10/2011 9:07am

Originally Posted by whatever123

(forms in traditional stances most likely derived from Karate forms)
Even in Kyokushin you wouldn't get much beyond the above plus some explanation of the purpose of the moves but no complete explanation for them. I even heard that in Japan in some Dojos they rarely do any Kata other than memorizing prior to grading.

Just saw this post.
Based on levels, the explanations started as simply as "learning to present your strikes" to "learning how to hit a stance and be in proper alignment" moving to "learning how to flow from stance to stance and be in proper alignment" to "learning how flow from fight from one direction and flowing to another direction, while still being on balance and in alignment"

There was always *some* answer that seemed somewhat plausible.