15 year old stabs bully to death
I just watched this on the news, I'm on the fence with this one being self defense.
NAPLES — A 15-year-old who fatally stabbed his school mate will no longer face criminal prosecution.
A judge’s ruling, made public Tuesday, granted a motion to dismiss the second-degree murder charge against Jorge Saavedra in the death of 16-year-old Dylan Nuno on the grounds that he acted in self-defense under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law. The State Attorney’s Office has indicated that it will not appeal the ruling.
Nuno’s family and friends criticized Collier County Circuit Judge Lauren Brodie’s decision, calling it “unbelievable” and “heartbreaking.”
“We know this wasn’t the right decision,” said Dylan’s aunt, Adriana Nuno.“(The judge) is showing those kids it’s OK to get away with murder.”
Saavedra, who was 14 at the time of the stabbing, was charged as a juvenile. If found guilty, the former Palmetto Ridge High student would have been released by the age of 21.
Brodie’s ruling concluded that Saavadra, who said he was bullied and tried avoid a fight with Nuno, did not act unlawfully. She added that Saavadra had more than enough reason to believe he was in danger of death or great bodily harm.
Brodie based her decision this week on the findings from a two-day December hearing, during which students who witnessed the events Jan. 24, 2011, testified that several teens announced the fight on the bus, and Saavedra got off several stops early in Golden Gate Estates. Saavedra showed a pocket knife to two teens on the bus that afternoon.
In a nine-page document released Tuesday by the State Attorney’s Office, Brodie stated that by getting off the bus several stops before the location where the fight was to happen, Saavedra “demonstrated that, with or without a knife, (he) had no desire to fight with Dylan Nuno.”
Accompanied by several students, Dylan Nuno, a junior, followed Saavedra, a freshman, off the bus. He then punched him in the back of the head, according to court documents and testimony.
Saavedra attempted to get away once, witnesses said. He then stabbed Dylan Nuno 12 times in the chest and abdomen. Two of the blows caused fatal wounds, including one that nicked his heart.
In her decision, signed Dec. 30, 2011, the judge said Saavedra had “no duty to retreat” and was “legally entitled to meet force with force, even deadly force.”
“The defendant was in a place where he had a right to be and was not acting unlawfully. He had more than enough reason to believe he was in danger of death or great bodily harm ... (He) was under attack from the first punch to the back of his head until he stabbed Dylan Nuno.”
Prosecutors will not be appealing the case, a move that upset Dylan Nuno’s family and friends.
“We’ve reviewed the decision,” said Samantha Syoen, spokeswoman for the State Attorney’s Office. “There does not appear to be any issues to appeal.”
Saavedra’s lawyer, Donald Day, called the case “a tragedy all the way around.” Saavedra is currently living with his family in Miami.
“My reaction is there is no winner at all in this case,” Day said. “My client’s family feels terribly for the Nuno family.”
The judge’s decision came as a surprise to Adriana Aradas, 19, a close friend of Dylan Nuno who sat with his family for the December hearing, wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with messages for the teen.
“I wasn’t’ expecting that at all,” Aradas said. “At the last hearing, there was so much against Jorge.”
During that hearing, students recounted for the judge previous altercations between the two teens, including one instance on the bus when something was lobbed from the back, where Dylan Nuno sat, to the front, where Saavedra was.
The judge also highlighted that Saavedra would skip school or find other ways home to avoid the bus.
Though the judge’s order does not mention the term “bullying,” which was heavily used by the defense, it does describe “taunting comments” from Dylan Nuno and two other male teens shortly before the fight.
Dylan Nuno’s family and friends have defended the teen, saying repeatedly he was not a bully and in fact transferred from Lely High School to Palmetto Ridge to escape taunting himself.
Their hopes for a bench trial before Brodie are now gone, weeks before the anniversary of his death and what would have been Dylan Nuno’s 18th birthday.
“Brodie’s decision is not setting a good example for children or adults,” said Kim Maxwell, Dylan Nuno’s mother. “I truly do not want this type of tragedy to happen to another innocent family.”
Yet after months of seeing Saavedra in the courtroom, there is some closure in the fact that they will no longer have to see the teen’s killer on what at times in 2011 was on a monthly basis.
“Whatever happens, whether (Saavedra) would have gotten time, it’s not going to bring Dylan back,” said Adriana Nuno. “We’ll have to move on, unfortunately without our Dylan.”
Staff reporter Jacob Carpenter contributed to this report.
Though it is unfortunate that he died, it sounded like the bully had it coming.
"stand your ground law"... I like the sound of that.
Wow, I sometimes forget how media can distort views.
Every other link talks about a year of bullying, Saavedra getting off the bus early, and the punch in the back of the head.
The above link goes into a girlfriend break-up, being poor, bullying at another school, divorce, custody issues, financial duress, job loss, and lack of popularity that implies Saavedra was a powderkeg.
Hmm. Not 1 or 2? 12 suggests an element of frenzy?
yeah thats what i dont get, stabbing someone 12 times until they die is not what i would call self defense. then again, attacking someone who has a knife is not what i would call smart (assuming he knew he had it that is)
It does sound rather typical, though, of someone using their knife in a panicked, adrenal state against someone who's attacking them.
Originally Posted by Alex
Now imagine that a thief here can suit you because he fell and drop and hurt himself inside your house...
Another home owner got in jail because he mortally wounded a thief inside his own house.
The laws in (civilized ??? ) old continent protect the thiefs and murderers and things have got out of hand. Anyway, I'd do literally anything to protect my family at home(if in danger), no matter what the laws are!
I second that notion...
Originally Posted by jdempsey
But 12 times until death *shudders*