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  1. Omega Supreme is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lu Tze View Post
    Yeah the video is self evidently terrible, so this little nitpick might seem petty... but isn't the sport SAMBO ruleset grappling only, i.e. analogous to Judo or BJJ?

    Why is the kid wearing MMA gloves? Why in their "full mount" position, are they clearly attempting to posture up for strikes, as opposed to maintaining chest contact for superior control/pinning?

    And why the hell are they calling a scarf hold side control?
    A scarf hold is side control, it is just a specific side control.
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    Exactly though, "side control" is an extremely general term for what is a pretty specific position.

    If I had something like a mune-gatame/whatever you call it in SAMBO, and you asked me to demonstrate a transition to side control, I'd be a pretty confused puppy.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ded Morose View Post
    Is USA Wrestling the governing body for SAMBO?
    USA Wrestling is the NGB for Amateur Wrestling, and FILA is the supervising authority (WGB); For Judo the NGB is USA Judo under the IJF; For Sambo the NGB is the American Amateur Sport Sambo Federation, and the supervising authority is the Federation International Amateur de Sambo (FIAS).

    Not only does USA Wrestling have nothing to do with the governance of Sambo in this country, but it seems that Ohio is the only state that has the position of "Sombo Director" on the USA Wrestling staff.
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    In De Janerio, in blackest night,
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    IIRC: USA Wrestling dropped the ball on that one and something about the AAU. I don't have enough information to really go into details. All I know is I hated the politics so I started to pull away from that whole mess, which is where the whole SAMBO blackbelt fiasco happened.
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    Posted On:
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    There was a political mess in the past, but as it stands in 2012 there is one world governing body (FIAS) and the AASF is their rep in the US, not USA Wrestling or any other FILA sponsored entity. Of course USA Wrestling can (and prolly does) sponsor some "Sambo rules" competitions, just as the AAU has done. How well the international sport rules are followed is another matter (IIRC the AAU competitions had problems with this)
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    In De Janerio, in blackest night,
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    Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
    Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!
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    I'm really happy about this thread because it's going to overshadow the one where there's video evidence of Omega committing felony assault on me.
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    Posted On:
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    He just sent me this message
    My name is Coach Wil Everidge. I am the Chief Sombo Instructor in Cincinnati and the State Sombo Director for USA Wrestling in Ohio. I noticed that you had visited and commented on one of my instructional videos.

    I understand that you disagree with some of the ground fighting positions that were being demonstrated by some of my students. I have only been training in, competing in, and coaching in Sombo since 1988. My instructor is Coach Joe Neely. I enjoy discussing the topic of Sombo and encourage my students to learn as much as they can from all arts.

    Although I welcome comments and fruitful dialogue, I disdain disrespect, especially open unprofessional disrespect from another instructor. I would never make such an egregious accusation in an open forum or on your site.

    I would enjoy discussing the merits of the different ground fighting positions with you and would even welcome you into one of my clubs here in Cincinnati if you were ever in town so that we could learn from one another. However, if it is your intent to openly attack another instructor, you can keep your comments to yourself.

    If you would like to contact me, feel free anytime. My contact information will be listed below.

    Best regards,

    Wil Everidge
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    My response:

    Re: Sombo Joe Video

    Let me be quite frank with you. You don't deserve my respect. I personally think you're full of yourself. You may be a nice guy but you don't really know what you're talking about. Me and several other coaches discussing this right now. You are more than welcome to join in but you won't like it.

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114270
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    Just to let you guys know. Omega is like REALLY REALLY REALLY upset about this. He's stomping about at the gym right now wanting to kill everything. I'm doing my absolute best to be on my best behavior.
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    Posted On:
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    I find it very interesting that the link above (http://www.milfordmartialartsacademy.com/Will%20Everidge.htm)
    to Mr Everidge's bio makes the claim "USA Wrestling is the governing body for Sombo in the United States" (emphasis mine). "Is" as in present tense. USA Wrestling hasn't been the NGB for Sambo/Sombo since 1984. This is either a deliberate misstatement, or an honest mistake from someone living under a very large rock.
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    KosherKickboxer has t3h r34l chi sao

    In De Janerio, in blackest night,
    Luta Livre flees the fight,
    Behold Maeda's sacred tights;
    Beware my power... Blue Lantern's light!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirc View Post
    Just to let you guys know. Omega is like REALLY REALLY REALLY upset about this. He's stomping about at the gym right now wanting to kill everything. I'm doing my absolute best to be on my best behavior.
    well, from what I can see his students do, he's rightfully mad. That's just terrible crappling, and crappling is rage inspiring when it is presented as grappling.
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