Thread: Baseball bat or knife?
1/05/2012 1:16am, #41
Let's take a look at Cheng's reply to my post. But first, I'll admit my reply to the thread was hastily done. I gave a brief description of my home defense considerations and threw out a pseudo scenario, so it's only fitting that Cheng replies with a full on macro-scenario that trumps mine.
You are also potentially ignoring the likelihood that an intruder (who is not deterred by your presence or the threat of getting arrested) will be armed and not alone.
So perhaps your daughter gets to watch two guys with machetes chop you to bits while the other two grab her and stand off with your wife at gunpoint.
Now she had better have really good aim, with you fighting and your daughter in the mix.
Four gun and machete wielding crazys are breaking into my house now? Or is it two machete guys and my rambo wife has the other two at gunpoint? Either way i'm fucked, there's not much I can do if four armed men break into my house. My point was if I hear a break in I'm not going to my closet, fumbling with keys to unlock my gun safe, and loading a gun under super high stress. I'm grabbing the nearest machete eliminating the attacker as he attempts to climb in the window he just smashed out and taking it from there. If there are three more machete guys I still may have a chance as they attempt to enter the house. If I take the time to get my gun they might just make it inside, then i've got to secure my kid and possibly shoot an attacker that could be near my kid, then get my wife (or maybe she comes with me? maybe she calls 911 while I grab the kid?)
II'd rather have the whole family behind the gun, and all the bad guys in front of it.
The final door/barricade makes them sitting ducks as well.
That's also using the "home court" to your advantage.
I live in a good neighborhood with a strong military family presence the odds of a break in any scenario are minimal. I just don't see the necessity to keep a gun readily available compared to the risks and liability of having children in my home
1/05/2012 5:21am, #42
My choice, given the two options, is manifest: I'd have a knife with me. Specifically, my Ontario Knives SP2. I would not investigate the threat; I would call 911 whilst monitoring the lone point of entry to the room. I once described the strategy thusly: “Anyone who comes through that door, whose first name isn't ‘Officer,’ is getting shot.” Of course, range and equipment would preclude shooting in the scenario the OP describes.
The simple fact is that I am physically incapable of running away, so I'd be in fear of my life automatically if someone attacked me in my home. In America, that means I'd shoot my assailant. In Canada, that means I'd stab the bastard.
I have no blood lust, and I do not long to be a killer. Nevertheless, my objective will be to kill. I can not escape from anything other than a dead body. Should I be required to use my knife rather than my gun, I'll be hoping for arterial spray: such a gruesome sight would be proof positive that I'm safe (until such time as accomplices make themselves known). In my eyes, planning to simply would an attacker in such a scenario smacks of dangerous vanity.
By the way, I know well that I'm far more likely to be killed than to kill.
1/05/2012 5:36am, #43
1/05/2012 9:07am, #44
Basically Cheng's aswer to the op was: "I will not answer your question, instead I will answer a question of my choosing, and then argue it with outlandish hypothetical scenerios."
But that is the problem with these self defence type threads.
1/05/2012 11:00am, #45
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1/05/2012 12:20pm, #48
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I have worked out some drills scenarios in case my house is targetted. In place of a bat I have worked out a combination of hockey sticks, throwing knives, arrows, bear spray and hatchets in no particular order.
Of course the last time some youth were breaking into my garden shed all that planning went out of the window and I charged out of my house without anything in hand, bellowing like a bull moose and tried to catch them as if they were leprechans... so ya I probably will be gutted by the 4 armed home invaders.
1/05/2012 12:39pm, #49
How the hell did he break the window? With his fists? (So perhaps we should at least assume he has a bludgeon, no?)
Why the hell would a single unarmed man hang around once you turned on the lights?
You, by your plan, put yourself between the gun and the bad guys, that's retarded.
All of this without while charging to the front armed only with a machete. Idiot...
My point was if I hear a break in I'm not going to my closet, fumbling with keys to unlock my gun safe, and loading a gun under super high stress.
I'm grabbing the nearest machete eliminating the attacker as he attempts to climb in the window he just smashed out and taking it from there.
If there are three more machete guys I still may have a chance ...
You just ran out there knowing nothing, according to your scenario.
You'd likely be dead, imo.
1/05/2012 12:44pm, #50
Sorry for any tedium.
Here, this got buried but sums up my position re the op:
You are splitting hairs between two really poor responses
"Use whatever weapon necessary to protect you and yours, but don't assume you have the upper hand with a knife or bat."