Thread: Baseball bat or knife?
1/04/2012 11:08am, #31
1/04/2012 11:13am, #32
For all I know, I'm going to hear a noise, find someone climbing in through a window and hopefully realize it's one of my kids (or one of their dumbass friends) before I do something I'll regret. My best friend has already had two of her kids sneaking in (or out) of the house late at night.
1/04/2012 11:34am, #33
I choose bat if those are my only two options. I like the range of the bat even for thrusting if I'm in a hallway. And if the attacker has a knife, I like my bat against his knife.
Personally, I've got verious other options, but that is not this thread.
But to add to ChenPengFi's discussion. Here in Florida we have the "Stand Your Ground" Law which basically says if you break into my house, I can use deadly force. When the law came out people didn't think it would hold up in court. They were wrong. It has held up nicely. Here is a link to a summarization of the law: http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomli...efense-law.htm
1/04/2012 12:01pm, #34
I was citing examples to refute the false dichotomy of knife vs bat;
...in a home defense both are legal yet both are deadly force and both can cause GBH.
The aforementioned 'gradient of force' is not practical, realistic or recognized by law.
That said, while perusing a couple Dog Bros forums threads on bats, i recall the consensus being that the miss of a two-handed swing was considered the weakest aspect of a bat.
Most T-ball players would also have a horrendous back-hand, i'd imagine.
Something to consider.
The requirement to barricade yourself also sounds impractical. Maybe I missed it but does anyone have source stating where this is a requirement?
Obviously your family should be behind you in the room that's barricaded.
This presupposes that it's possible of course.
Devil's advice is what happens in practice.
For a single person home alone it's a reasonable option but I've got a kid who's room is on the other side of my (small) house. My room is by the back door my kid's is by the front if anyone comes in either door I'm grabbing my machete (next to bed) going to my kid's room then we go to my room with my wife and I unlock the gun. If I see anyone while going to get my daughter all the glory of my FMA training will unleash a couple of serious machete blows before I pause to see if there is anyone else around.
You are also potentially ignoring the likelihood that an intruder (who is not deterred by your presence or the threat of getting arrested) will be armed and not alone.
So perhaps your daughter gets to watch two guys with machetes chop you to bits while the other two grab her and stand off with your wife at gunpoint.
Now she had better have really good aim, with you fighting and your daughter in the mix.
I'd rather have the whole family behind the gun, and all the bad guys in front of it.
The final door/barricade makes them sitting ducks as well.
That's also using the "home court" to your advantage.
Ftr, this is the resume for the guy who teaches that as part of a class:
Prior service in U.S. Army Military Police who served in the RSVN. After serving with the U.S. Army he gained 37 years background in airline industry.
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He has worked at the FAA Technical Center in Atlantic City, New Jersey as a contract Firearms Instructor for the Federal Air Marshal's Program.
He is also a certified Glock Armorer, NRA Civilian, and Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor.
He is a member of International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor (IALEFI), Life Member of the NRA and the Hawaii Rifle Association, Pu`uloa Rifle & Pistol Club, and the Go For Broke Association, 100th Bn, 442nd Inf.
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1/04/2012 1:26pm, #35
I actually just moved a few weapons into my gfs house for just-in-case scenarios. In the back closet (the farthest place back to hide), there's a double edged dagger in a sheath. If one or both of us are hiding in there and someone gets through the door, there won't be room to swing a two handed bludgeon. Under the bed, there's a kamagong baton on one side and a short spear on the other (basically like a bayonet). I decided on the kamagong stick since its shorter than a bat so easier for using indoors. The spear's on my side, and its short enough that it won't hit any walls or anything.
My problem with the bat is that as a two handed bludgeon, it's not well suited for enclosed areas. If I'm fighting someone down my hallway, I might have trouble getting any good swings with walls on both sides. A bat can also be used for two handed baton thrusts, but the short spear trumps the bat for that application.
On the other hand, I'm more comfortable with the idea of laying into someone with a piece of wood than a knife.
1/04/2012 1:48pm, #36
1/04/2012 5:19pm, #37
I have a nightstick by my bed. It's thicker and heavier than my rattan eskrima, but still one-handed. Also a short wooden sword that seems to be made of coconut wood or something at the end of my bed.
The live bladed katana in my wardrobe would be my last choice, not because it's deadly, but because indoors in my small house, its probably useless.
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1/04/2012 5:48pm, #38
If someone were to defend their home with some kind of horror like this:
how would that affect the legal outcome of the case? Badly, I'd imagine. I know laws vary etc etc but but I gotta imagine it would have a negative effect on the judge and jury, especially when Exhibit A has chunks of flesh in it.
1/04/2012 6:40pm, #39
Hey, no one said you can bludgeon and stab someone!!!
1/04/2012 11:08pm, #40
not quite blade or bat, but thought was would be useful for the castle doctrine discussion.
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