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    I agree with that.

    @ realjanuary and diesel- i always think of the knife in two uses- keep it hidden till needed(ie street defense) or the brandish and use to shutdown/de-escalate

    @chenpengfi- good question . . . here in Canada where i live it IS very possible that you would face criminal charges for brandishing a knife to defend yourself in your home (even if not actually used) of course it depends on the police officer and many other variables (where the intruders carrying weapons- did you know them- time of day etc) . . . but i have read/heard of several examples where several people broke in- and the home owner brandished a knife and wound up with charges against himself.
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    What madness is this, people on the internet disagreeing but appreciating each other's views?

    I'd nit pick on the word de-escalation. Pulling a knife is an escalation of force, even if it is with the aim of shock and awe into de-escalating.

    Pulling a knife, or any weapon is raising the stakes. Just like in poker, if you raise you have to be willing to be called. Either you have a better hand and you win (the fight goes your way when they close), or they have a better hand and you lose (and you lose big because you raised). Having any hesitation or doubt in yourself (which I know I have), increases the chances of being called.
    On top of not pulling a knife on anyone I'm not willing to cut/kill I'd say pulling a knife also adds the possibility of it being used against you (I'm not sure if that's already been brought up on the thread).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrkoon9 View Post
    Castle Doctrine.

    I will not use a sliding scale of force on intruders to my home. I assume they are here to commit the most heinous crimes against my family - and I will tell the jury that Dr Petit's home invasion in Connecticut was fresh in my mind.

    I'd use a bazooka if I had one.
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    Have a couple of sets of sticks by the front door, but would prefer a knife inside the house if having to choose between the two.

    §21-1289.25. Physical or deadly force against intruder.
    PHYSICAL OR DEADLY FORCE AGAINST INTRUDER
    A. The Legislature hereby recognizes that the citizens of the State of Oklahoma have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.
    B. Any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including but not limited to deadly force, against another person who has made an unlawful entry into that dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant of the dwelling.
    C. Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including but not limited to deadly force, pursuant to the provisions of subsection B of this section, shall have an affirmative defense in any criminal prosecution for an offense arising from the reasonable use of such force and shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the reasonable use of such force.
    D. The provisions of this section and the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Sections 1 through 25 of this act, shall not be construed to require any person using a pistol pursuant to the provisions of this section to be licensed in any manner.
    Added by Laws 1987, c. 54, § 2, eff. Nov. 1, 1987. Amended by Laws 1995, c. 272, § 57, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
    Expanded now to include your property, outside of the home and business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    Yes, understood. See my earlier posts in this thread. I am derailing slightly, yes. Sorry if that was unclear, but i am trying to open up a more general discussion because the thread is getting redundant. I am well versed in my local laws and have access to legal and LE professionals, thus "for discussions sake".

    I am referring specifically to the instances where duty to retreat applies (or not as the case may have it), Is brandishing a weapon likely illegal if one simply brandishes to halt an assault etc., or is it an escalation?
    This would be a really sticky situation. A lot of it comes down to how well you can defend your actions in court. That is one of the reason that you will always hear cops yelling at the person to "stop resisting...put down the weapon...step away...you don't need to do this..." It is as much a verbal order, as it is something for witnesses to hear.

    But typically in use of force you can only use the amount of force necessary to quell the disturbance. So, if there is no weapon, you shouldn't be using one, unless the techniques being used against you, allow you to up the level of force. If you are getting punched, kicked, then you can pull a weapon to defend. But if someone is just threatening you, and you pull a knife, it is a lot harder to justify. No impossible, just harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    This would be a really sticky situation. A lot of it comes down to how well you can defend your actions in court. That is one of the reason that you will always hear cops yelling at the person to "stop resisting...put down the weapon...step away...you don't need to do this..." It is as much a verbal order, as it is something for witnesses to hear.


    But typically in use of force you can only use the amount of force necessary to quell the disturbance. So, if there is no weapon, you shouldn't be using one, unless the techniques being used against you, allow you to up the level of force. If you are getting punched, kicked, then you can pull a weapon to defend. But if someone is just threatening you, and you pull a knife, it is a lot harder to justify. No impossible, just harder.
    That's all along the lines of what i was thinking. Thanks for the professional input.
    The Tom Patire classes i took really stressed the verbal thing.

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    Take both! Stick and knife if bread and butter to Escrema guys.
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    I'd like to make one of these

    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    I choose knife. I have sticks stashed around, but the narrowness of my place isn't really conducive to swinging them around very much. The knife I have next to my bed is very similar to the knives I use when sparring, so I'm very comfortable with using it in tight places.
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    1 - have a good perimeter;
    2 - have a plan taking into account your local laws (e.g. Castle Doctrine v.s. obligation to flee), number of people in your house, floor plan, average response time of your local LEO;
    3 - choose weapons appropriate to your plan and local laws
    4 - be sure you are proficient in the use of those weapons.

    Knife or club? Both, but preferably a gun if firearm ownership is allowed in your jurisdiction and if your jurisdiction allows for the use of lethal force to defend yourself in your own home.


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