Thread: Baseball bat or knife?
5/27/2012 8:09am, #131
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I agree with that.
@ realjanuary and diesel- i always think of the knife in two uses- keep it hidden till needed(ie street defense) or the brandish and use to shutdown/de-escalate
@chenpengfi- good question . . . here in Canada where i live it IS very possible that you would face criminal charges for brandishing a knife to defend yourself in your home (even if not actually used) of course it depends on the police officer and many other variables (where the intruders carrying weapons- did you know them- time of day etc) . . . but i have read/heard of several examples where several people broke in- and the home owner brandished a knife and wound up with charges against himself.
5/27/2012 9:37am, #132
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What madness is this, people on the internet disagreeing but appreciating each other's views?
I'd nit pick on the word de-escalation. Pulling a knife is an escalation of force, even if it is with the aim of shock and awe into de-escalating.
Pulling a knife, or any weapon is raising the stakes. Just like in poker, if you raise you have to be willing to be called. Either you have a better hand and you win (the fight goes your way when they close), or they have a better hand and you lose (and you lose big because you raised). Having any hesitation or doubt in yourself (which I know I have), increases the chances of being called.
On top of not pulling a knife on anyone I'm not willing to cut/kill I'd say pulling a knife also adds the possibility of it being used against you (I'm not sure if that's already been brought up on the thread).
5/27/2012 10:05am, #133
Have a couple of sets of sticks by the front door, but would prefer a knife inside the house if having to choose between the two.
§21-1289.25. Physical or deadly force against intruder.
PHYSICAL OR DEADLY FORCE AGAINST INTRUDER
A. The Legislature hereby recognizes that the citizens of the State of Oklahoma have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.
B. Any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including but not limited to deadly force, against another person who has made an unlawful entry into that dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant of the dwelling.
C. Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including but not limited to deadly force, pursuant to the provisions of subsection B of this section, shall have an affirmative defense in any criminal prosecution for an offense arising from the reasonable use of such force and shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the reasonable use of such force.
D. The provisions of this section and the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Sections 1 through 25 of this act, shall not be construed to require any person using a pistol pursuant to the provisions of this section to be licensed in any manner.
Added by Laws 1987, c. 54, § 2, eff. Nov. 1, 1987. Amended by Laws 1995, c. 272, § 57, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
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5/27/2012 9:00pm, #134
But typically in use of force you can only use the amount of force necessary to quell the disturbance. So, if there is no weapon, you shouldn't be using one, unless the techniques being used against you, allow you to up the level of force. If you are getting punched, kicked, then you can pull a weapon to defend. But if someone is just threatening you, and you pull a knife, it is a lot harder to justify. No impossible, just harder.
5/27/2012 10:42pm, #135
The Tom Patire classes i took really stressed the verbal thing.
"I'm not sure officer. He must have fell down those stairs when he was chasing me. I didn't want to look back, i was afraid for my life!!"
5/28/2012 12:53am, #136
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Split the difference. Use a war hammer.
5/31/2012 4:59pm, #137
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Take both! Stick and knife if bread and butter to Escrema guys.
5/31/2012 9:16pm, #138
I'd like to make one of these
"Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***
"The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19
"Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney
6/04/2012 12:44am, #139
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- Austin, TX
I choose knife. I have sticks stashed around, but the narrowness of my place isn't really conducive to swinging them around very much. The knife I have next to my bed is very similar to the knives I use when sparring, so I'm very comfortable with using it in tight places.
6/15/2012 3:34pm, #140
1 - have a good perimeter;
2 - have a plan taking into account your local laws (e.g. Castle Doctrine v.s. obligation to flee), number of people in your house, floor plan, average response time of your local LEO;
3 - choose weapons appropriate to your plan and local laws
4 - be sure you are proficient in the use of those weapons.
Knife or club? Both, but preferably a gun if firearm ownership is allowed in your jurisdiction and if your jurisdiction allows for the use of lethal force to defend yourself in your own home.
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