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    I keep my registration and license ready in my driver's side door caddy. That way as soon as asked I just reach down and they are there. As a professional courtesy I will keep my hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel and do my best to avoid looking like a threat. Smiling helps.

    I don't see the point of driving with the gun loaded at all, considering safety issues. Even back in my farm days when we had shotguns on the truck rack we removed the shells first. There was no way in hell I would sit with my head less than a foot from the business end of a loaded 12 gauge.

    If you carry the weapon in your glove compartment and are fully legit with your paperwork, just leave the clip outside the weapon, imho.

    Then you can train to be like this guy:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice Hole View Post
    I don't see the point of driving with the gun loaded at all, considering safety issues. Even back in my farm days when we had shotguns on the truck rack we removed the shells first. There was no way in hell I would sit with my head less than a foot from the business end of a loaded 12 gauge.

    If you carry the weapon in your glove compartment and are fully legit with your paperwork, just leave the clip outside the weapon, imho.

    I carry my guns loaded because unloaded guns are just rocks. I don't have them with me to shoot blacksnakes on Pappy's farm. I have them with me to hopefully live if someone tries to kill me. Bad guys like to sneak up and catch people by surprise. They don't usually pause and politely enquire about your readiness to shoot back. I would consider myself lucky if I were able to employ a pistol at all in a self-defense situation, even if it's holstered on my hip with one in the chamber.

    Are you familiar with modern holsters? The safety risk of carrying loaded is extremely slim if you're using a quality holster and not being a dumbass.

    Also, it's not a clip. It's a magazine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice Hole View Post

    I don't see the point of driving with the gun loaded at all, considering safety issues. Even back in my farm days when we had shotguns on the truck rack we removed the shells first. There was no way in hell I would sit with my head less than a foot from the business end of a loaded 12 gauge.
    Two different scenarios two different guns.

    I've witnessed and experienced enough to know it is all about the area. Being on a farm and being in the hood are not the same. The farm and the regular city are not the same either. Hell, I used to think the same way and despised guns once upon a time. Stepping out of your comfort zone changes your perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scut Farkus View Post
    I carry my guns loaded because unloaded guns are just rocks. I don't have them with me to shoot blacksnakes on Pappy's farm. I have them with me to hopefully live if someone tries to kill me. Bad guys like to sneak up and catch people by surprise.
    Right like before you even get in your car. :)

    I don't think the extra second it would take to load the magazine would make a huge difference. If you can get to the glove compartment at all, you can get to both.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scut Farkus View Post
    Are you familiar with modern holsters? The safety risk of carrying loaded is extremely slim if you're using a quality holster and not being a dumbass.
    I was thinking more about the pin accidentally firing during a (relatively forceful) car collision. It happens. Modern holsters aren't going to prevent that from happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Stepping out of your comfort zone changes your perspective.
    Well now I live in Jersey, one of the most gun-unfriendly states in the Union and also one of the most crime-ridden. I don't think it's legal to even have a loaded gun in a civilian vehicle at all, and concealed carry permits are rarer than rubies.

    Pennsylvania was, by comparison, Texas.

    But I see your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Two different scenarios two different guns.

    I've witnessed and experienced enough to know it is all about the area. Being on a farm and being in the hood are not the same. The farm and the regular city are not the same either. Hell, I used to think the same way and despised guns once upon a time. Stepping out of your comfort zone changes your perspective.
    I'd say a gun in the city raises eyebrows like a pitchfork in the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice Hole View Post
    Right like before you even get in your car. :)

    I don't think the extra second it would take to load the magazine would make a huge difference. If you can get to the glove compartment at all, you can get to both.

    I was thinking more about the pin accidentally firing during a (relatively forceful) car collision. It happens. Modern holsters aren't going to prevent that from happening.

    Ever heard of carjackings? It almost happened to my wife once when pinned in a drivethrough where she couldn't move her car. Someone got stopped by the cops down the street and bailed because he had drugs in the car. He stopped at her car, brandished a weapon and told her to open the door. Fortunately the door was locked. Fortunately he didn't pull the trigger. She was at his mercy. If she had a loaded pistol at the ready she may have had another option.

    To your point about the weapon firing during an accident - So it's not just modern holsters you don't understand. You also don't understand modern weapons.

    You're wrong about an extra second not making a difference.
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    She was at his mercy. If she had a loaded pistol at the ready she may have had another option.
    If she was at his mercy it wouldn't have mattered there was a loaded gun in the glove compartment. He'd have shot her dead if she'd gone for it, probably. SO now she should just drive with the loaded firearm on her lap where it's within reach. Just make sure she takes the magazine out nice and slow if a cop pulls her over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scut Farkus View Post
    So it's not just modern holsters you don't understand. You also don't understand modern weapons.
    I understand how firing pins work, or has the technology changed much in the last fifteen years? I don't think it has if we're still talking the average handgun in the glove compartment of the average driver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    I'd say a gun in the city raises eyebrows like a pitchfork in the city.
    I'm going to say a gun, in your car unseen and loaded, is a HUGE difference than a 12 gauge, in a gun rack, on your back windshield.
    So, I am going to say NO nothing like your pitchfork/gun analogy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice Hole View Post
    I had to extract this part out because you failed at Quote Function:

    If she was at his mercy it wouldn't have mattered there was a loaded gun in the glove compartment. He'd have shot her dead if she'd gone for it, probably. SO now she should just drive with the loaded firearm on her lap where it's within reach. Just make sure she takes the magazine out nice and slow if a cop pulls her over.



    I understand how firing pins work, or has the technology changed much in the last fifteen years? I don't think it has if we're still talking the average handgun in the glove compartment of the average driver.
    I'm willing to give credit where credit is due. You impressed me with your kewl space knowledge a week or so ago. Now you're outside your comfort zone and you're talking out your ass. Admit it or just drop it and let's move on.

    Otherwise PLEASE show me an example of a holstered Glock or Sig discharging in an auto accident.
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