Crab/Philly Shell?

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 12/15/2011 3:45pm

Originally Posted by Bumble Monster

Does the low guard help defend takedowns more than not standing sideways would?

I try not to stand quite sideways, so if that makes it not a Philly shell so be it.

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 12/15/2011 4:08pm

Originally Posted by MMAMickey

I was thinking this. I would imagine that standing side on with your front arm across your body would make you both vulnerable to single legs and allow people to take your back standing much more easily; although I'd have to give it a try and see..

This is the relative position where i believe it makes getting an underhook easier.
Of course itwouldn't have made a difference here, lol.

**PointyShinyBurn** · Posted On: 12/16/2011 3:43am

If you want to see a boxer who really looks like he's doing the chun, watch Alexis Arguello.

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 12/16/2011 11:05am

I now really want to hit ChenPengFi. Not for an agressive internet machismo reason just because I don't believe that is a good guard for MMA at all.

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 12/16/2011 12:54pm

Originally Posted by Bumble Monster

I now really want to hit ChenPengFi. Not for an agressive internet machismo reason just because I don't believe that is a good guard for MMA at all.

Fair enough, i defer to your experience.
Ftr i'm not advocating anything static.
A simple question however, in the above GSP shot could you see absolutely no advantage to Fitch having his right hand low and closer to GSP's left? (Discounting the impact of the right of course.)
Many setups involve getting your opponent to raise their guard (like GSP above), if the guard doesn't do that by default, it would seem to have some merit, no?

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 12/16/2011 12:55pm

Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn

If you want to see a boxer who really looks like he's doing the chun, watch Alexis Arguello.

Chun? You're an idiot.

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 12/16/2011 2:19pm

Originally Posted by ChenPengFi

could you see absolutely no advantage to Fitch having his right hand low and closer to GSP's left? (Discounting the impact of the right of course.)

The thing is you can't discount the impact of the right. That is the whole point of the setup. So no I believe not taking an impact like that would be better and having both hands up would have helped.

EDIT: I just realized you can say that Fitch DID have his hands up but since he still got hit in the face I'm gona go with he needs a better guard with BOTH hands up.

***WhiteShark*** · Posted On: 12/16/2011 2:23pm

Honestly I can't believe this is even being discussed for MMA. Who has ever used this in MMA and done well? The only person I can think of is Toney and he got murdered.

**ChenPengFi** · Posted On: 12/16/2011 2:50pm

Originally Posted by Bumble Monster

The thing is you can't discount the impact of the right. That is the whole point of the setup. So no I believe not taking an impact like that would be better and having both hands up would have helped.

EDIT: I just realized you can say that Fitch DID have his hands up but since he still got hit in the face I'm gona go with he needs a better guard with BOTH hands up.

Point was what you addressed with the edit and that the right doesn't always land yet the takedown can still be effective because the hands are up.
Being able to establish an underhook earlier seems a reasonable goal, especially with the closer side and especially when cornered, no?
Look how evasive Mayweather can be with only one hand up, while cornered.
In mma it's pretty common to try to establish an underhook while pressed back into the cage/ropes.
It seems like a reasonable crossover.

Toney? Please that was a novelty match.
I'd appreciate if you addressed what i am talking about rather than extrapolating that i am advocating using a low lead/Philly shell to the exclusion of other more fundamental strategies, when i clearly stated i am not.