Stick=empty hand

**Diesel_tke** · Posted On: 12/15/2011 11:07am

Originally Posted by tim_stl

again, it depends on the style. some are more literal, some are abstract, and some just use another art altogether. the goal in translating weapons work to empty-hand is to not have to learn a new way to fight just because neither you nor your opponent(s) have a weapon. it's not to be the best at empty-hand fighting, it's to be good enough to survive.

tim

Originally Posted by Chili Pepper

Pretty much, yeah. In Guro Inosanto's old book on FMA, starting on page 130, he has a series of pics showing a variety of strikes all coming in on Angle #1 - a staff, a stick, a barong, a dagger, an overhand punch, a nunchaku, a staff (swinging backhanded), a palm strike, knife hand, hammer fist, dagger in icepick grip, backfist, and hammerfist swinging backhanded.

The point is, they're all coming in through that same zone, and there are going to be many commonalities to dealing with a strike coming in through that zone. Rather than worry about "this is a nunchaku technique" or "this is a sword technique", focus on the elements that make them the same, to streamline your training. In every one of the strikes mentioned above, you could use the exact same footwork (modified for range, as I mentioned in an earlier comment upthread).

(oh, and in reply to Eskrimador regarding sinawali being the blueprint of FMA, I disagree)

OK, thanks to both of you. That clears a lot up for me. Also, what is the name of that book? I'm always up for a good book. I've got Remy Presa's Modern Arnis book, but have been looking for more.

**tim_stl** · Posted On: 12/15/2011 11:11am

Originally Posted by Diesel_tke

OK, thanks to both of you. That clears a lot up for me. Also, what is the name of that book? I'm always up for a good book. I've got Remy Presa's Modern Arnis book, but have been looking for more.

it's called "the filipino martial arts as taught by dan inosanto." it's long out of print, but you can probably find it on the net somewhere. also, the 'history' section is more myth than history, so if you find something interesting in there, research it before believing it.

**Permalost** · Posted On: 12/15/2011 11:41am

The Filipino Martial Arts is available in PDF form on the net if you look around a bit. I have it on my computer but its been there a long time and I don't remember how it got there.

**Diesel_tke** · Posted On: 12/15/2011 7:47pm

Originally Posted by Chili Pepper

Pretty much, yeah. In Guro Inosanto's old book on FMA, starting on page 130, he has a series of pics showing a variety of strikes all coming in on Angle #1 - a staff, a stick, a barong, a dagger, an overhand punch, a nunchaku, a staff (swinging backhanded), a palm strike, knife hand, hammer fist, dagger in icepick grip, backfist, and hammerfist swinging backhanded.

The point is, they're all coming in through that same zone, and there are going to be many commonalities to dealing with a strike coming in through that zone. Rather than worry about "this is a nunchaku technique" or "this is a sword technique", focus on the elements that make them the same, to streamline your training. In every one of the strikes mentioned above, you could use the exact same footwork (modified for range, as I mentioned in an earlier comment upthread).

(oh, and in reply to Eskrimador regarding sinawali being the blueprint of FMA, I disagree)

Thanks, I just down loaded the book! Funny, I guess I wasn't too far off, based on that book. When I described the literal translation of the #1 angle and related it to and over hand right.

I'll be picking through this one for a while!

**Basagulero** · Posted On: 12/16/2011 2:45pm

Originally Posted by Eskrimador

Again, and I've said this before, it's a general style. South East Asian Combatives. It's a mixture of various forms.

Okay, understood.

Is there a website? What are the root systems that were mixed together to create SEAC?

**selfcritical** · Posted On: 12/17/2011 5:47pm

Basically if you've only done the drilling with your FMA, your ability to transfer to live opponents will be relatively weak, as a lot of the highly transferable stuff only comes out once you're covering distance with a fair amount of force. Sorry to be super-late, I haven't been checking bullshido as much.

**Dr._Tzun_Tzu** · Posted On: 12/22/2011 8:48pm

Originally Posted by Chili Pepper

Pretty much, yeah. In Guro Inosanto's old book on FMA, starting on page 130, he has a series of pics showing a variety of strikes all coming in on Angle #1 - a staff, a stick, a barong, a dagger, an overhand punch, a nunchaku, a staff (swinging backhanded), a palm strike, knife hand, hammer fist, dagger in icepick grip, backfist......

..... all coming in through that same zone, and there are going to be many commonalities to dealing with a strike coming in through that zone.

Like this?

It is called Transition in Latosa Escrima.

**Kalichap** · Posted On: 12/27/2011 1:21pm

Originally Posted by Diesel_tke

OK, thanks to both of you. That clears a lot up for me. Also, what is the name of that book? I'm always up for a good book. I've got Remy Presa's Modern Arnis book, but have been looking for more.

Krishna Godhania's "Eskrima: Filipino Martial Art" is recent book worth checking out (trying to avoid being bias here due to training in Warriors Eskrima) which covers a broad range of FMA's aspects including the usual stuff like single stick, baraw, pangamut/panantukan, double stick, sibat, espada y daga, flexible weapons and projectiles. It also has nice sections on anatomy and the Self Defence and the Law.

My first post was not meant to be a plug or anything, some times thats just the way she goes. A lot of good points raised in the thread.

**Diesel_tke** · Posted On: 12/27/2011 2:41pm

Originally Posted by Kalichap

Krishna Godhania's "Eskrima: Filipino Martial Art" is recent book worth checking out (trying to avoid being bias here due to training in Warriors Eskrima) which covers a broad range of FMA's aspects including the usual stuff like single stick, baraw, pangamut/panantukan, double stick, sibat, espada y daga, flexible weapons and projectiles. It also has nice sections on anatomy and the Self Defence and the Law.

My first post was not meant to be a plug or anything, some times thats just the way she goes. A lot of good points raised in the thread.

Thanks, I'll check it out! And you should start a thread in noob town, and tell your background and where you train.

**jdoc619** · Posted On: 9/27/2012 3:52am

Do the weapons translate to other weapons and empty hand usage? The reality of it is, not necessarily. To be proficient in a specific weapon you train with it. Every weapon has it's differences, its up to the user to know what works with what weapon.