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  1. W. Rabbit is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    i was never taught to use a "tiger claw" as a raking attack, but rather as palm heel strike.
    We were specifically told to keep the fingers back.
    Right? To not jam/break your fingers when striking hard if one of those fingers gets smashed when you strike. I was taught the same. It is really hard to hurt your fingers no matter how hard you strike if they are in a nice, tight fu jow.

    Can't say the same thing about, for instance, using the knuckles wrong in the pao kuen (leopard fist). Using that wrong will break your fingers easy if you strike hard, but if you use it right and condition it on the bag, you can turn it into a really fast, painful jab or good tsop choi to the head.

    The fu jow training I do centers around basic tiger concepts...striking, gripping, pulling, tearing, pushing.

    Some of the short Hung ga forms are essentially grip exercises, fu jow gong is one I practice specifically when tiger is "in season". Maybe Chen knows what I mean.
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    I can see palm strikes being somewhat usefull, I like them for ground and pound of all things lol. I did read a story about roman gladiators in which supposedly a gladiator used a spear hand to rip someone's end-trails out. But the Romans did like to exaggerate so I imagine it to be just that a story. Most any strike that takes any effort other than making a natural fist I think is just unnecessary.
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    tiger claw:

    you should have "crazy" grip strength to properly do tiger techniques that involve gripping and tearing. most practitioners do not have nearly enough grip strength to do the things that they think they are capable of. one needs to put in serious time on sandbag throwing, iron palm, steel shot training, stone lock training, and a wrist roller. while i did those things, i think that the time commitment required to seriously do all the peripheral exercises is too much for the average working person.

    The eyes can be a target of the attack, but there are several different types of attacks from different angles that use gripping and tearing, for instance grabbing the ear and ripping, which can certainly be effective, and grabbing a muscle or tendon on your opponent and trying to tear it. while this may not actually tear the muscle, it is quite painful and can sometimes get a desired reaction from one's opponent.

    crane/snake attacks to the eyes

    these are mostly used to brush the eyes and cause a moment of blindness to set up another attack. they are not used to actually spear into the eye socket. i think as a distraction and set up they are practical and useful.

    i will say that since i spent most of my time doing sanda and mma rules sparring, that i mostly used tiger/crane/snake techniques that had been adapted to use with boxing or mma gloves and rules, and that because of the way they can be trained, they are the best ways to fight using 5 animal techniques.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    i was never taught to use a "tiger claw" as a raking attack, but rather as palm heel strike.
    We were specifically told to keep the fingers back.
    In the CLF I learned, there was a thrusting tiger claw, and also a raking tiger claw. The raking one still wasn't really a fingertip strike; it was a whipping downward palm heel strike across the bridge of the nose, and if the fingers happen to scrape the eyes it's icing on the cake. This one hit down, the thrusting one would hit straight and slightly upward. I'm not a big fan of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    In the CLF I learned, there was a thrusting tiger claw, and also a raking tiger claw. The raking one still wasn't really a fingertip strike; it was a whipping downward palm heel strike across the bridge of the nose, and if the fingers happen to scrape the eyes it's icing on the cake. This one hit down, the thrusting one would hit straight and slightly upward. I'm not a big fan of it.
    This sounds very similar to something called "The Shredder" that is being marketed to LEOs and anyone else who wants to shell out for "Super Secret Techniques That Can Destroy a Black Belt in Seconds" and is marketed as an effective defense against wrestling style shots, of all things.
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    headbutts are part of kudo competitions, and in my opinion, they are super effective when a shorter person does it against a taller person. They are epecially useful for setting up a close range combo with hooks, elbow, and knees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shigi View Post


    See 1:18.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wetware View Post


    See 1:18.
    We need something similar to the "NSFW" warning for vids using the drowning pool "bodies" song. Seriously, I hate the song with a passion and how every tough guy fighting or ma related vid uses it. I've seen this vid before (which I enjoy) isn't it of Lord Asia or something like that? (Some guy who was here and left before I joined) But I forgot about the shitty music, now I feel like my ears have been raped.

    Perhaps a "DPB" (drowning pool bodies) alert could be used? Not only does DPB sound like it could be an acronym something vile it actually is.

    Back on topic: Ming and Permalost's posts (as well as many others) are exactly what I was going for with this thread. Thanks everyone for sharing "teh knowledge". The mention of wrist strikes reminds me of Drunken master with Jackie Chan.

    What about mantis strikes? Not sure where I got the image of single index finger strikes comes from, a movie perhaps? Can anyone explain a little about mantis strikes? I imagine the require rigorous finger training and the strikes are directed at pressure point or something.

    I could go on with my questions. Whats the difference between tiger,leopard, and dragon fist? As far as targets, applications and strength/conditioning requirements go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jspeedy View Post
    We need something similar to the "NSFW" warning for vids using the drowning pool "bodies" song. Seriously, I hate the song with a passion and how every tough guy fighting or ma related vid uses it. I've seen this vid before (which I enjoy) isn't it of Lord Asia or something like that? (Some guy who was here and left before I joined) But I forgot about the shitty music, now I feel like my ears have been raped.
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