12/03/2011 5:07pm, #11
Can't say the same thing about, for instance, using the knuckles wrong in the pao kuen (leopard fist). Using that wrong will break your fingers easy if you strike hard, but if you use it right and condition it on the bag, you can turn it into a really fast, painful jab or good tsop choi to the head.
The fu jow training I do centers around basic tiger concepts...striking, gripping, pulling, tearing, pushing.
Some of the short Hung ga forms are essentially grip exercises, fu jow gong is one I practice specifically when tiger is "in season". Maybe Chen knows what I mean.
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12/03/2011 5:08pm, #12
I can see palm strikes being somewhat usefull, I like them for ground and pound of all things lol. I did read a story about roman gladiators in which supposedly a gladiator used a spear hand to rip someone's end-trails out. But the Romans did like to exaggerate so I imagine it to be just that a story. Most any strike that takes any effort other than making a natural fist I think is just unnecessary.
12/03/2011 5:15pm, #13
• you should have "crazy" grip strength to properly do tiger techniques that involve gripping and tearing. most practitioners do not have nearly enough grip strength to do the things that they think they are capable of. one needs to put in serious time on sandbag throwing, iron palm, steel shot training, stone lock training, and a wrist roller. while i did those things, i think that the time commitment required to seriously do all the peripheral exercises is too much for the average working person.
• The eyes can be a target of the attack, but there are several different types of attacks from different angles that use gripping and tearing, for instance grabbing the ear and ripping, which can certainly be effective, and grabbing a muscle or tendon on your opponent and trying to tear it. while this may not actually tear the muscle, it is quite painful and can sometimes get a desired reaction from one's opponent.
crane/snake attacks to the eyes
• these are mostly used to brush the eyes and cause a moment of blindness to set up another attack. they are not used to actually spear into the eye socket. i think as a distraction and set up they are practical and useful.
i will say that since i spent most of my time doing sanda and mma rules sparring, that i mostly used tiger/crane/snake techniques that had been adapted to use with boxing or mma gloves and rules, and that because of the way they can be trained, they are the best ways to fight using 5 animal techniques."Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
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12/03/2011 11:03pm, #16
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headbutts are part of kudo competitions, and in my opinion, they are super effective when a shorter person does it against a taller person. They are epecially useful for setting up a close range combo with hooks, elbow, and knees.
12/03/2011 11:38pm, #17
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12/04/2011 1:32am, #18
Perhaps a "DPB" (drowning pool bodies) alert could be used? Not only does DPB sound like it could be an acronym something vile it actually is.
Back on topic: Ming and Permalost's posts (as well as many others) are exactly what I was going for with this thread. Thanks everyone for sharing "teh knowledge". The mention of wrist strikes reminds me of Drunken master with Jackie Chan.
What about mantis strikes? Not sure where I got the image of single index finger strikes comes from, a movie perhaps? Can anyone explain a little about mantis strikes? I imagine the require rigorous finger training and the strikes are directed at pressure point or something.
I could go on with my questions. Whats the difference between tiger,leopard, and dragon fist? As far as targets, applications and strength/conditioning requirements go.
12/04/2011 4:27am, #19
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