In my experience (4 years of BJJ, .5 years of judo), letting someone else "teach" is not ok. When I go to another school, I keep my mouth shut unless someone asks. If I roll with someone at my school, I will offer advice, because I've cleared that with my instructor. Each teacher has a different preference for how their students learn, and it's not ok for someone to try and usurp that.
If you've had it blow up in your face before, I would just tell the pair to get back to rolling. It's your school. I'm also assuming you'll be reasonable, and not get in someone's face unnecessarily if it comes up :P
Just talked to my students. They told me they were a bit put off with it.
I would like to get your opinion on this.
Originally Posted by jnp
At my school, if someone comes in and does the whole know-it-all routine, we usually sick our better blues and purples on him to dismantle his techniques during a roll. However, if he proves to have a game that's tricky and slows down any of the ones employed by those people, we usually deconstruct it on the sly and then steal it... and also smash it, now that we know what he's doing.
The only time we really give a "talk" is to make fun of each other in ruthless ways.
Originally Posted by Sarcastro
I think you sound altogether too passive in every one of these stories. I don't see how this can keep happening without you just telling the guy to STFU that isn't the progression you want to use. You seem to think that everyone who drops in will magically adopt your world view. People won't do things the way you want them to unless you tell them.
You missed the other thread.
Originally Posted by WhiteShark
Here, read this thread:
Originally Posted by WhiteShark
Short version, you are wrong and a bully whiteshark.
Omega is a bully for culling a post and not looking for other options according to muerteds.
Omega; generally, I would suggest you make sure your students know your policy (whatever you wish it to be) and apply that policy to outsiders too. Ask your upper belts/assistant instructors to help enforce this policy.
Since typically people outside your kwoon will be unranked (unless its judo day, and a judoka is visiting, etc), this is a pretty simple way to do things. If someone is out of line, student or guest, treat them all the same way. I wouldn't throwdown immediately, but sometimes, you might have to do that.
My protocol is that outside visitors do not instruct in my classes. Like you, I have a model or progression that I teach through that is integrated. It has some flexibility, but it's a model that works.
Originally Posted by Omega Supreme
If an outside visitor is higher ranked or a higher level coach, I'll talk with them ahead of time about their doing some instruction if they want too. These type usually don't just walk in ans start instructing anyway. A lot of times visitors just want to train. I know that I like to go to other dojo and just train, I teach all the time in my own. If I'm asked, I'll do it, but I don't volunteer. I recoginize the same issues that most clubs will have different models and progressions they use, plus, I don't know the players styles, experience or interests.
Lower ranked guys who come in and start instructing I will pull them aside and ask the to stop, usually with a polite qualification that I recognize that they are showing quality stuff but it's outside the scope of my "model". If they won't stop, I'll ask again, next time I'll either switch to randori so they have to shut up, or, I'll ask them to leave.
If they are showing something that is a different take on a technique/position/etc that fits with where we are in the model/progression, I'll ask them to show it to the class and explain how it fits and why I like it.
I was on vacation in my hometown in Texas and visited the dojo there. I know the head instructor. He explicitly told me on the mat that I could interupt anyone and give advice/instruction at any time, and he introduced me to the class and told them the same thing. Up to that point, I was just going to work with my Step-Dad on technique and basics and train with anyone else.
That is an example of the head instructor making it clear what he expects.
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Falling for Judo since 1980
"You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS
As a student, I hate it when other people beside my coach try to teach, especially if it is an outsider. I come to training because I respect and trust what he has to say and that is why I am paying him money to show me what to do. He also knows what I need to learn because he has been the one training me, to a lesser extent this applies to my existing training partners.
So I will generally check extra instruction with my coach before I take it on board.
If this occurred, I would listen to everything the guy said and take it on but respectfully still check it with my coach later.
Originally Posted by BKR
As a teacher in a different setting, I know it can look bad shutting someone down but I also appreciate it when a trainer has control of the learning environment.
Last edited by Auszi; 12/02/2011 10:46pm at .
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