Thread: Cut or uncut.
11/22/2011 12:20am, #11
Since circumcision is not a 'mutilation' and is not known, as far as I am aware based on what my doctors have told me, to cause any sort of harm, I fail to see the big debate.
It's not like the parents are trying to enforce some radical physical alteration upon their child.
11/22/2011 3:03am, #12
You're fucking kidding me, right? No harm? Have you witnessed a circumcision? Have you seen botched circumcisions? Probably not, it isn't something your pro circ doc would willingly show. You do understand it is a surgical procedure right? And that has risks, no matter how "simple" the procedure. Read a book called As Nature Made Him.GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.
11/22/2011 3:22am, #13
Really, that's your defense? ANY surgical procedure can go wrong or get botched, so your point is moot.
Give me some hard stats on how often a circumcision is botched. If the number is alarmingly high, then, as before, I'll reconsider my position. So far, all you're giving me as an emotive argument, which just doesn't help your case. Citing the David Reimer incident is merely pandering to the extreme.
11/22/2011 5:33am, #14
Lol, emotive? You are amusing. Small risk of infection later in life vs small risk of infection during surgery.GET A RED BELT OR DIE TRYIN'.
11/22/2011 6:03am, #15
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Why does americans get cut? I am not looking for pros or cons here but I would like to know why this "practice" was started in America?
11/22/2011 6:59am, #16
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My father thought it was religious influence in the medical profession (or, to put it bluntly, "all the Jewish doctors.") I'm uncut, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
11/22/2011 7:33am, #17
I'm sorry that your parents didn't give a **** about your cocks appearance. Mine constantly get high-fives for not being complacent, anti-semitic hippy faggots, though.
11/22/2011 7:50am, #18
11/22/2011 7:55am, #19
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My wife is a Filipina and when we had our son, was insistant we get him cut, I'm not cut as most UK guys aren't and it really disturbed me doing it but seriously, you can't win in that kind of cultural argument (all his pinsan (cousins) will call him saput!!)
The practice started due to hygiene (and was genuinely a good idea back then, no clean water, lack of knowledge etc) there are a few medical coditions that require it these days (my brother was cut at about the age of 3 or 4 due to it) but currently it is mostly a cultural/religeous hangover from days of poor hygiene knowledge
11/22/2011 8:14am, #20
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Nice thread BF.
I'm a proudly uncut man just a year or two shy of thirty, and I agree with literally every fucking thing Battlefields said. There is no reason for it. Health issues are so rare and / or unsubstantiated that it's a fucking useless reason.
And as for the aesthetic debate: GROW THE **** UP! I mean, everyone on my little island has loads of tribal tats, and they're pretty popular with the girls, but I'm sure as **** NOT gonna get my boy tat sleeves as a baby! Anyone who subscribes to the fact that circumcision should be done for 'aesthetic' reasons should be taken out in front of a wall and shot dead before they try to gas all the jews.
Mutilation. A lot of people subscribe to the belief that circumcision is not a form of mutilation. Above, someone posted a definition of mutilation that included as part of it the making of something 'imperfect'. Now, I know that this next bit is going to raise the ire of anyone that's cut here, but a circumcised penis IS an imperfect one. As a tool for experiencing sexual pleasure, the penis is made fine. Circumcision causes a loss of sensation that can ONLY BE DESCRIBED as mutilation! It's an unfortunate term, because it carries a lot of semantic baggage, but the undeniable fact is that a circumcised dick is one less able to perform fully in one important capacity: gratification.
As BF said, if I were to do something to a female child that would reduce the sexual pleasure she'd feel as an adult, I would be rightly ostracised. Double standards, anyone?
Personally, I think we should all stretch our foreskins so that, with the addition of a piece of string, we can use them as handy inbuilt carry all's. You know, like women do with their vaginas. Rumpleforskin could become a term of respect for particularly gifted individuals in the foreskin department.