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    Hunh?
    Used the quote function?
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    Used the quote function?
    Oh, when I read it I couldn't figure out his point. This is how it read before he added your words:
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    If I were industrious I would look up every example of police acting and not acting under the same conditions. It'd be quite interesting to compare all the factors.
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    And you were saying I'm not the brightest bulb in the box?
    I was trying to figure out why he thought your suggestion was dumb.
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    Let me just say this in advance. I haven't read the majority of this thread. I've been active here in Occupy Portland since day 2 as a medic. I figured I'd share my experiences at the N17 Action.

    Let me also say that I don't believe the entire police force is bad, but that there are individuals who shouldn't be given a firearm...much less a badge.



    Her name is Liz. This is from the N17 Action here in Portland, OR. Just prior to this shot, she was pushed in the throat and face with a baton. I was no more than 5m from her when this happened. By the time I put on my mask to protect myself from being pepper-sprayed (about 5 seconds), she had been dragged by her hair behind the line and then into the Chase bank which is outside the right boundary of this photo. She was then arrested for trespassing in a building which she was dragged into.

    Shortly after this, I ended up treating 3 people for pepper-spray and packaged an 81-year old man with a hip injury after he was shoved to the ground by riot police. The man had been photographing the events.

    While I was searching for more people, I found a girl crawling on the ground in the street. As I went to lift her up and move her to safety, an officer shot my mask with pepper-spray. Thankfully, my mask is military grade and withstood the irritant. With that said, I was clearly marked as a medic with red armbands and a red cross on my chest. I moved her to a safe zone where other medics treated her.



    Over the course of the day, we were told to stay out of the streets and remain on the sidewalks. The public was told that there would be delays because we had taken the streets. As you can see in this picture, the only people in the streets were the riot officers.

    Just before Liz was pepper-sprayed in the previous picture, the protesters were being ordered to stay on the sidewalks. Everybody was on the sidewalks until police moved in with horses and forced people into the street. One of those people was Cameron Whitten.

    Cameron was struck in the head and back with batons, and then practically trampled by a horse even though he was following the directions the officers were giving him. As a result, his laptop was broken by a baton strike. The police attempted to drag him behind the line and arrest him. Protesters pulled him to safety across the street.





    Oh yeah, I had this thing pointed at me. There was a group of 7 of us and a group of about 20-30 well-armed and armored officers. He was the only officer who had anything pointed at us. Turns out that he also has a history of unjustified use of force which lead to a shooting death.

    I don't really understand the argument that we, the protesters, deserve to be pepper-sprayed or hit with batons. For what? Breaking an ordinance that results in the equivalent of a $50 ticket or a lowest-level misdemeanor? Are you guys crazy? How can you advocate the use of force against people for something like that? Especially when they aren't even being violent or presenting a threat?

    You want a truly stupid statement? I was told, "you protesters don't realize how easy you guys are getting it."

    Really? So we should create a standard based on past ****-ups instead of on common sense?

    Sorry if I seem pissed off, but the reaction I see from people sometimes is just ridiculous. It's like people would rather bend over and bite the pillow instead of waking up and realizing that they're getting fucked.
    :911flag: If you are lost, I will find you. If you are wounded, I will carry you. If you are pinned, I will cover you. If you are killed, I will recover and remember you. If you trespass against me, my countrymen, or my loved ones...I will kill you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaFoxtrot51 View Post
    Let me just say this in advance. I haven't read the majority of this thread. I've been active here in Occupy Portland since day 2 as a medic. I figured I'd share my experiences at the N17 Action.

    Let me also say that I don't believe the entire police force is bad, but that there are individuals who shouldn't be given a firearm...much less a badge.



    Her name is Liz. This is from the N17 Action here in Portland, OR. Just prior to this shot, she was pushed in the throat and face with a baton. I was no more than 5m from her when this happened. By the time I put on my mask to protect myself from being pepper-sprayed (about 5 seconds), she had been dragged by her hair behind the line and then into the Chase bank which is outside the right boundary of this photo. She was then arrested for trespassing in a building which she was dragged into.

    Shortly after this, I ended up treating 3 people for pepper-spray and packaged an 81-year old man with a hip injury after he was shoved to the ground by riot police. The man had been photographing the events.

    While I was searching for more people, I found a girl crawling on the ground in the street. As I went to lift her up and move her to safety, an officer shot my mask with pepper-spray. Thankfully, my mask is military grade and withstood the irritant. With that said, I was clearly marked as a medic with red armbands and a red cross on my chest. I moved her to a safe zone where other medics treated her.



    Over the course of the day, we were told to stay out of the streets and remain on the sidewalks. The public was told that there would be delays because we had taken the streets. As you can see in this picture, the only people in the streets were the riot officers.

    Just before Liz was pepper-sprayed in the previous picture, the protesters were being ordered to stay on the sidewalks. Everybody was on the sidewalks until police moved in with horses and forced people into the street. One of those people was Cameron Whitten.

    Cameron was struck in the head and back with batons, and then practically trampled by a horse even though he was following the directions the officers were giving him. As a result, his laptop was broken by a baton strike. The police attempted to drag him behind the line and arrest him. Protesters pulled him to safety across the street.





    Oh yeah, I had this thing pointed at me. There was a group of 7 of us and a group of about 20-30 well-armed and armored officers. He was the only officer who had anything pointed at us. Turns out that he also has a history of unjustified use of force which lead to a shooting death.

    I don't really understand the argument that we, the protesters, deserve to be pepper-sprayed or hit with batons. For what? Breaking an ordinance that results in the equivalent of a $50 ticket or a lowest-level misdemeanor? Are you guys crazy? How can you advocate the use of force against people for something like that? Especially when they aren't even being violent or presenting a threat?

    You want a truly stupid statement? I was told, "you protesters don't realize how easy you guys are getting it."

    Really? So we should create a standard based on past ****-ups instead of on common sense?

    Sorry if I seem pissed off, but the reaction I see from people sometimes is just ridiculous. It's like people would rather bend over and bite the pillow instead of waking up and realizing that they're getting fucked.
    Because you're an excuse and/or a thorn in the respective police officer's thigh.
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    Actually, let me rephrase.

    I'm pissed off for a number of reasons. The top few being that I was pepper-sprayed, hit with a baton, listen to countless people talk about the occupy movement and yet haven't taken the time to actually ask someone from OWS what they think, and a number of other things.

    Oh yeah. And over 40 days of listening to "counter-arguments" which include gems like:

    "Get a job"
    "**** you, socialists"
    "Occupy a shower"

    Instead of talking about any of the points I've raised, I get met with stupidity. Again, people want to bite the pillow...
    :911flag: If you are lost, I will find you. If you are wounded, I will carry you. If you are pinned, I will cover you. If you are killed, I will recover and remember you. If you trespass against me, my countrymen, or my loved ones...I will kill you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Because you're an excuse and/or a thorn in the respective police officer's thigh.
    Please elaborate...
    :911flag: If you are lost, I will find you. If you are wounded, I will carry you. If you are pinned, I will cover you. If you are killed, I will recover and remember you. If you trespass against me, my countrymen, or my loved ones...I will kill you.

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    The local magistrate decided to implement a law that prohibits the homeless from camping out in public parks. I've mentioned this once before. A police officer knowingly following an unlawful command is committing a crime. All police officers watching are committing crimes exponentially.
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    The local magistrate decided to implement a law that prohibits the homeless from camping out in public parks. I've mentioned this once before. A police officer knowingly following an unlawful command is committing a crime. All police officers watching are committing crimes exponentially.
    Thank you for clearing that up. For a moment I thought you were saying something else. LoL
    :911flag: If you are lost, I will find you. If you are wounded, I will carry you. If you are pinned, I will cover you. If you are killed, I will recover and remember you. If you trespass against me, my countrymen, or my loved ones...I will kill you.

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    AlphaFoxTrot51, **** you, Socialist, why don't you go Occupy a shower *scrolls up* * scrolls back down* and get a job!

    Join the military or something, geez.

    Just kidding, keep it up, bro. I like your reporting style. It's edgy.

    Sounds like I am dripping in sarcasm, but I'm not. Honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaFoxtrot51 View Post
    Oh yeah. And over 40 days of listening to "counter-arguments" which include gems like:

    "Get a job"
    "**** you, socialists"
    "Occupy a shower"

    Instead of talking about any of the points I've raised, I get met with stupidity. Again, people want to bite the pillow...
    Getting met with stupidity is the norm.

    I'm part of a small group that has maintained a peace vigil on main st. for an hour or half-hour, on Fridays after work, forever it seems like. Some give thumbs up and honk, some flip the bird. "Get a job," is the most common idiotic remark. There's been a few assaults and lots of harassment. It's embarrassing and horrifying when some dope stops his pickup, screams obscenities, and then looks a little puzzled when he sees that he's yelling at three middle school kids. They seem convinced that we are the enemy, that we are fundamentally different, bad evil people, subhuman cowards. The type who have listened to assholes like Rush bellow, "The liberals want the US to lose the war!!!" And they believe that evil right wing ****.

    The very few pro-war types who have managed to get out of the car and talk mostly make no sense, telling us that we are "against the troops." or other nonsense. It is frustrating to deal with the idiocy, to realise how many have swallowed the bullshit. People who don't know the difference between Iran and Iraq and could care less, but know that we are 'fucking cowards.'



    Occasionally it is powerful, like when an Iraq vet who'd been back for five days walked up and asked if there were any veterans. Happened to ask two Vietnam vets and he was happy to talk to them about the war and what we were doing protesting. In a couple minutes I was about in tears. He didn't believe in the war, thought it was wrong, but was going back to support his fellow soldiers.

    Lance Cpl. Michael Allred was from Logan and was killed in Iraq in 2004. His father, Brett knows a few of our group. Brett wrote a letter to the paper condemning the harassment. He pointed out that while he didn't agree with the peace group, protecting the peace group's right to protest is essential to democracy. His son joined the Marines and gave his life because believed in democracy, and the assholes (my words, he's a good Mormon) giving the protesters **** were violating the meaning of his son's sacrifice.

    But most don't 'get' it.
    "Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
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