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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    For everything being changed, it sure feels the same.
    Dude, you need more hope!

    I had some and could've lent a little I wasn't using, but then I saw my first 2013 paycheck and now it's all gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sri Hanuman View Post
    You know what would kick ass? Occupy China thread.
    That would end in about 5 minutes.
    That ended 23 years ago.


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    New re-thread (lol.)

    10 ways the Occupy Movement needs to make me a sandwich.















    Ok, only 7. And sadly inadequate for what I was trying to depict. Damn you internet. Today you many disappoint.
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    Dude I kill people for a fucking living.

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    Bake for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    Not until the Hueys have to come airlift us to safety.
    Funny you should mention Hueys. That was one of the things about the Vietnam War that led my thinking forward.


    this is a pdf, hard to copy, but it's from http://www.vhpa.org/heliloss.pdf

    Helicopter Losses During the Vietnam War
    There were about 12,000 helicopters that served in the Vietnam War (we have specific tail numbers for 11,827 from all services). See below for losses. Bell Helicopter built 10,005 Hueys from 1957 to 1975. Prior to 1957, there were three XH-40 prototypes and six YH-40 test helicopters manufactured. Of the 10,005 production Hueys, the first 732 were designated HU-1A and HU-1B. 9,216 of these went to the U.S. Army, 79 to the U.S. Air Force, 42 to the U.S. Navy, and 127 to the U.S. Marine Corps. The rest went to other countries.
    Our records show that 7,013 Hueys served in the Vietnam War. Almost all were Army.

    ................KIA KIA
    ....... served destroy pilots crew
    UH-1 80 80 36 17
    UH-1A 8 1
    UH-1B 729 376 139 144
    UH-1C 696 415 167 158
    UH-1D 1,926 1,028 224 247
    UH-1E 156 100 39 41
    UH-1F 31 18 4 5
    UH-1H 3,375 1,285 457 487
    UH-1L 2
    UH-1M 5 5 3
    UH-1N 2 2
    UH-1P 3 3 1
    ----- ----- ----- -----
    7,013 3,305 1,074 1,103
    Total helicopter pilots killed in the Vietnam War was 2,202. Total non-pilot crew members was 2704. Based on a
    database I got recently from the Pentagon, we estimate that over 40,000 helicopter pilots served in the Vietnam War.
    To help in understanding the above numbers, the first 80 Hueys are missing a letter for some unknown reason. UH-
    1Ds were upgraded to UH-1Hs. That is why you see a higher percent of losses for UH-1Ds. They were destroyed
    before they were upgraded to Hs. They were both used as slicks so they should be counted together when making
    any conclusions. UH-1Bs were upgraded to UH-1Cs then to UH-1Ms. Most of the UH-1Bs and nearly all of the UH-
    1Cs were used as gunships. The UH-1E, F, L, N and P were typically non-Army.
    2,709 people were killed while in Hueys.
    1,074 pilots
    1,103 crew members
    532 American passengers (we do not have a good count on Vietnamese, their numbers probably exceed the number
    of American passengers)
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    2,709


    "Huey was owned in great part by Ladybird Johnson."
    "Lady bird was a major shareholder in Bell Helicopter."

    I wonder how much they made for every one thrown off a ship. I heard a million back in '75.

    Johnson was Brown and Root (Halliburton... the more things change eh?)
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    Whats your point Pat? The Military industrial complex makes a bunch of money and is well connected in politics? No ****, always has been all the way back to the dawn of time. Hunting parties ate better, got the 1st choice of spoils of war with other tribes ect ect.
    BTW Nixon was in office when those helicopters where pushed into the ocean and there was no love lose between the two men. So its not a great example.

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    Pat,

    If I recall, your bio that you have shared over time here includes service in Vietnam. Were you more patriotic and pro American than the average recruit? It seems like you take observations we all make and get very worked up about them and come to very serious conclusions like the US is a fascist state.

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    Federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America... no problem? OK.

    http://www.justiceonline.org/comment...html#documents
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    Quote Originally Posted by Styygens View Post
    Dude, you need more hope!

    I had some and could've lent a little I wasn't using, but then I saw my first 2013 paycheck and now it's all gone.
    What do you mean? You don't like that payroll tax increase shrinking your paycheck? Don't be such a right wing zealot! Hope and change, baby. Hope and change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patfromlogan View Post
    Federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America... no problem? OK.

    http://www.justiceonline.org/comment...html#documents
    Left wing movements have always been targets for radicals, anarchists, and criminals. Often these crazies are not the founders. Monitoring is justified. There is also a history of smear tactics against these groups so you have to make sure the agencies doing the monitoring don't get out of control. Balance because no group can be given a blank check.

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