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    Quote Originally Posted by legomepanda View Post
    To be fair, his statement says we are close to a turnkey totalitarian state. So we are close to the point where our government could turn totalitarian if they wanted, not that we are in a totalitarian state.
    What is a "turnkey totalitarian state", though.

    If you can show me a "turnkey totalitarian state", then maybe we could talk about it.

    Otherwise it's the binary, dualistic fantasy of a cyptospook that doesn't take into account how the real world outside Fort Meade works.
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    I assume he means that at any moment "they" could just flip this switch and be all like "we're fascists now. Boom. Get used to it".

    Although what he says is overly sensational, I can't find anything to discredit him or pin his comments to mental illness. And no matter how paranoid and delusional he is, I still believe that our rights are being encroached on and we should buy Browning .50 caliber M2 machine guns to protect them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    What is a "turkey totalitarian state", though.
    It's when the turkeys get wise, kill the farmer and take over the farm yard










    I for one welcome our new turkey overlords
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    Quote Originally Posted by legomepanda View Post
    I assume he means that at any moment "they" could just flip this switch and be all like "we're fascists now. Boom. Get used to it".
    But that's not how fascism works, which is my problem with his statements. Fascism doesn't come into a culture overnight, or via a switch...unless you are a mathematician whose spent 40 years locked in an NSA bunker doing calculations you wouldn't make such an mindless observation.

    In the entire history of historical fascism, nothing of the sort exists, except in the mind of this NSA spook.

    You can fit about a thousand internets in one yottabyte. I did the math.

    I'm a practical man, I can see the cryptanalysis breakthroughs possible in the 10^24 space and I welcome them. God bless the United States Government, who had this internet built in the first place.

    But people like Binney see a massive Orwellian apparatus to literally capture the internet and everything in it, a thousand times over.

    As if the NSA has the time for that sort of bullshit.

    It's their job to find and break enemy codes.
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    yottabytes thats a new one by me, that is a DAMN big number. Also not to worried there are plenty off the encryption methods that one can use if you really want to keep the NSA from scouring your conversation for key words. Heck even in the clear you can always talk in Navajo. Better yet encoded and encrypted, over tor. Anyone have a VOIP over Tor solution yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    You can fit about a thousand internets in one yottabyte. I did the math.
    Just wondering where you included the deep web when you did your calculations. I would believe it a yottabyte is a seriously stupid large number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Just wondering where you included the deep web when you did your calculations.
    The deep web isn't that "deep" in terms of actual size. The internet is probably around 1 zettabyte (.001 yottabytes) or so these days and that would include everything. Obviously it's a rough estimate, I based it on trend data.

    Here you go:

    http://www.discovery.org/a/4428
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    The Impact of Video and Rich Media on the Internet – A ‘zettabyte’ by 2015?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I would believe it a yottabyte is a seriously stupid large number.
    It's a small number.

    Would you believe how incredibly small it is compared to the number of IPv6 addresses (10^38)?

    Also a small number.
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    I applaud this recent turn of discussion in this resurrected thread. When I saw it pop up on my subscriptions list, I was afraid the Occupy movement had become relevant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Styygens View Post
    I applaud this recent turn of discussion in this resurrected thread. When I saw it pop up on my subscriptions list, I was afraid the Occupy movement had become relevant.
    Well they were relevant in the fact that they proved Americans can still (post 9/11) demonstrate in the streets without being slaughtered or jailed en mass along with their families.

    America...**** yeah.
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