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  1. MEGA JESUS-SAMA is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli View Post
    What got that particular slime ball dictator (that is whathisface from Romania, right?) out of office was the fact that when he ordered the tanks to roll...the Army told him to take a hike. The power of the human spirit is a wonderful thing...but as China showed us, it doesn't stand up to the power of an armored fighting vehicle. Gandhi/MLK only works if the other people aren't willing to go Delinda Est.

    Then again I am pretty sure that (now that Janet Reno is out of office) the U.S. government isn't going to sign off on greasing the treads with the guts of it's own citizenry.
    There isn't ever going to be a single country that can be held together with police and prisons. It didn't work for Russia and China only continues on because it has adapted. Watching the sorry mess in North Korea would give even the most witless of you pause to reconsider your inevitable rejoinder that force conquers all.

    It is the irony of all that a lot of people with capacity for violence never realize it's limitations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmonkey View Post
    Just to clarify, did you witness him being hit with a baton and shoved to the ground or did you treat him and that was the version of events he gave or that his injuries were consistent with.
    I witnessed him get hit and go to the ground. While I was unable to see the baton directly strike his face, I saw a baton come up around head height and his head snapped back. Members of the crowd helped carry him to a point of safety where I rendered aid. He and the people that carried him confirmed that he was hit in the face.

    (I'm not a physician) His injuries were consistent with a heavy strike to the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Tortelli View Post
    Okay, that was dirty pool...and possibly dealing from the bottom of the deck as well.

    It would be more a more meaningful comparison if I could get percentages for number of people in Afghanistan vs number of fatalties compared to number of road users vs number of fatalities, but I have no idea where such statistics might be found.

    (Reminds me of a claim I heard that more people were shot in a year in New Orleans, Louisiana than Bagdad....but I'm *almost* sure that was an exaggeration)
    I recall hearing vehicle fatalities are higher per capita for military personnel while deployed.
    (I know that there is a large spike immediately when they get home as well; buy that sportbike when you get back and all.)
    I seem to remember that the same held true for OTJ related accidents.
    I imagine those numbers would not be difficult to find.
    I just thought it should be mentioned that you can still crash a car while being shot at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaFoxtrot51 View Post
    I witnessed him get hit and go to the ground. While I was unable to see the baton directly strike his face, I saw a baton come up around head height and his head snapped back. Members of the crowd helped carry him to a point of safety where I rendered aid. He and the people that carried him confirmed that he was hit in the face.

    (I'm not a physician) His injuries were consistent with a heavy strike to the face.
    Guess where 14 year old kids don't usually get hit in the face with batons? At home, doing their homework.
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    There isn't ever going to be a single country that can be held together with police and prisons. It didn't work for Russia and China only continues on because it has adapted.
    I think you mean it didn't work for the USSR, from what I read in the papers Uncle Vladimir is making a pretty good showing at it.

    Watching the sorry mess in North Korea would give even the most witless of you pause to reconsider your inevitable rejoinder that force conquers all.
    Pitiful for 99% of the population perhaps...I'd imagine the 1% ruling class and the guys with guns and jackboots keeping order aren't starving.

    It is the irony of all that a lot of people with capacity for violence never realize it's limitations
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    Of course. How could we forget all the tyranical dictators who were overthrown by the power of love and hugs, like Poppa Doc...no.....Idi Amin?...wait, that's not how that went either...Milosevich? Castro? Pol Pot? Saddam?

    As far as I can tell the only governments to fold like a card table before the indomitable power of the human will are the Americans and the English, even the French had to endure a brushfire conflict before they let Algeria go.
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    Okay. Non-troll post coming. Stand by.....

    I've been thinking a lot about the state of our country. I've been thinking about what caused us to be in our current circumstances (however you view them), where we can go from here, etc.

    It brought me to this question - what is the end-game we should strive for? I'm not asking you to explain how we can get there. That's way too much to ask of anyone. I just want to know where you guys would like to be.

    Here's how I see it. The root cause of our problems is the human quest for power. Not everyone has this desire, but some do and some people always will. I don't see any way to overcome this. I don't see any system of government that can solve this dilemma. No matter the system, it will always be exploited by those who have the means and the motivation to do so.

    We can try to fix our system of government or we can try to destroy it. We can have anarchy. We can create a communist government, a socialist government, a dictatorship, a democracy, oligarchy, whatever. In any system there will be people with access to more power than others and they can exploit that power if they choose.

    I have a hunch our best bet is to make the most of our current system because the alternatives will be at least as unpleasant as our current situation and probably moreso. I think we should be very careful what we wish for regarding transfers of power.

    I know it pisses people off when Warren Buffett cruises around in his yacht while Joe Blow is struggling to make ends meet. But Warren Buffett is never going to kick in my door and drag me out in the street while he rapes my wife. There are people in my town, and in every town that would do exactly that and worse if given access to any power at all.

    I would urge people to honestly evaluate their circumstances and think about whether their situation is as dire as they sometimes think. We have high expectations as a nation, so it is easy to be disappointed. Do you have food to eat? Do you have clothes to wear? Do you have a roof over your head? Will the police come if you call them? Will an ambulance come if you need one? Can your kids play in the yard? Are you free to pursue some activities that give you enjoyment in life?

    If the answers to those questions are yes, things probably aren't that bad after all. I know it isn't a utopian society, but that's a fantasy anyway. If we break our system down and start over, the have-nots may have a chance to become the haves. That's true. But eventually, the new "haves" will have enough power to exploit the "have-nots" just as the current haves do, regardless of the systems in place.

    Pick your poison. My suggestion is to make the most of the relative stability we have. If you have other thoughts I'd be interested to hear them.
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    Collective complacency and relying on others to fix your **** for you over several hundred years is what caused this to begin with. The people should never have willingly relinquished as much personal liberty and power as they had over time. And now to keep us safe from dem terrorizers, we get molested and manhandled every time we have to travel, and our right to bare arms is in the process of getting a serious work-over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sri Hanuman View Post
    Collective complacency and relying on others to fix your **** for you over several hundred years is what caused this to begin with. The people should never have willingly relinquished as much personal liberty and power as they had over time. And now to keep us safe from dem terrorizers, we get molested and manhandled every time we have to travel, and our right to bare arms is in the process of getting a serious work-over.

    Yah...

    Is that a general statement or were you responding to my post? If it was a response to my post, you didn't answer the question.
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    Sorry dude, huge wall of text, didnt find the question you were talking about.

    Not exactly sure if we agree or disagree until I re-read.

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