11/17/2011 2:10am, #171
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- May 2011
Pretty succinct and to the point , however where I most likely may differ with your opinion is that I think it's much further along the road you cite than most are aware of. And we Are increasingly becoming polarised into subgroups at each others throats. We're already seeing the effects of this in the increased caterwauling by the *real* splinter fringe whacko groups
both religiously and ideologically based.
It's not unreasonable to extrapolate a future scenario wherein the govt has broken down completely and we have descended into Balkanisation. And of course give humanities inherent propensities such a scenario would give rise to any number of petty little tyrants seeking control over a vulnerable populace.
Think me crazy , but I long ago left the cities. Beans , bullets and bandaids , heirloom
seeds and horticultural supplies , adequate medical supplies , spare boots , a good trap string , various trade goods. I'll invest in such things rather than the market or precious metals.
A decent rifle and a string of traps will feed you and even in the lower 48 will in some locales provide an income , an ounce of gold will just break a tooth , or perhaps you could drop some real expensive shot for a shotgun.
And in such a scenario what a man can *do* will be ultimately more important than education , the fact that I can make water do what I desire it to do will be worth more than the considerable education I endured , a ggood blacksmith , a solar or small hydro tech will be of more value than the MBA will.
Would that such a scenario never come to pass , however given the dismal state of affairs coupled with the even more dismal list of candidates for the Oval Office I'd hazard a guess that we're screwed , and quite likely well within the next decade.
Lemme see here ( again)
O'Bummer...............we saw how that worked out the first time around.
Romney.......yeah an ex Ceo of freaking Bain Capital in the White House....Fox? Henhouse anyone?
Ron Paul..............yeah he'll get the nomination ..sure thing...rehashed Spooner and Rothbard along with a smattering of Von Mises , still a hog trought politico.
Bachman..........I swear to GOD ( apropriate with her) that every time she opens her damn mouth I hear the theme from the twilight zone.
Cain........." my wife is THIS high , is that your thigh?".........implosion.
Perry.........if another person says to me " you're orginally from Texas are you going to vote for Rick Perry/" I'm gonna scream or else go dig up Anne Richards and have her kick his ass.
Austin HELL , is there anybody in frigging Texas that doesn't have a HookersNBlow story about Perry. Frigging epitome of a Southern Democrat even if he does call himself a Republican nowadays , bastard lovechild of LBJ diddling Preston Bush.
Newt Gingrinch , not a benign creature like most Newts , this one is poisonous , a weird channeling of Strom Thurmond and George Wallace with fundy undertones.....shudder.
We are SO screwed.
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11/17/2011 9:34am, #173
ZOMG, Bullshido unfair!
First, those "better than you" tags are wrong. I demand that Bullshido change those to pink "as good as everyone else" tags! Also, everyone needs an "I'm good, you're good" tag.
Also, everyone needs to have equal mod priveleges. Srsly.
Finally, Bullshido needs to apologize to everyone it's been mean to!!!
11/17/2011 9:52am, #174
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Government is too fucking bloated and there's no turning back. Government is not going to downsize itself. Government will grow and grow until it pops like a zit.
Our political system is a failure. Political office is about personal achievement, not about public service. Elected officials are only interested in winning the next election. Compromise in the interest of the nation's welfare doesn't happen.
I have more thoughts on what caused these problems, but it doesn't matter and will only generate more argument. There's nothing either side can say that hasn't already been said. The country is as polarized today as it was at the beginning of the Civil War. When you have two guys in a room who hate each other, they're only going to talk **** for so long before they start throwing blows.
For the record, I want to make it clear I am against acts of violence toward the U.S. government or U.S. citizens.
11/17/2011 10:27am, #175
Supply and demand. Human beings--whatever they may (or may not) have been worth in some part of the past--are not worth much now, and the value is dropping. Large-scale employment (like assembly-line manufacturing) has been outsourced from the West, and even that will only last as long as machines can't be made to 'man' the assembly lines more cheaply than developing-country flesh-and-blood drones.
The remaining human livelihoods in the 'global economy' will be in 'creative' areas where there will be a few giants, possessing almost all the resources, their gilded walls surrounded by multitudes of little people hoping to be among those chosen to receive a few crumbs in return for a lifetime of abject servility.
Escape? 'Leaving' the global economy (a wish I hear spoken with increasing frequency) might be an interesting idea--but the GE's thirst for resources will eventually send its minions and their machines to destroy whatever piece of wilderness anyone may have found as a retreat. No place is sufficiently distant any more.
I'm glad I'm nearly fifty. Fewer remaining years of this charming scenario to experience...
11/17/2011 10:42am, #176
here's some long boring stuff:
FINANCIALIZATION (fr. Wiki)
"Financialization may be defined as: "the increasing dominance of the finance industry in the sum total of economic activity, of financial controllers in the management of corporations, of financial assets among total assets, of marketised securities and particularly equities among financial assets, of the stock market as a market for corporate control in determining corporate strategies, and of fluctuations in the stock market as a determinant of business cycles" (Dore 2002)
More popularly, however, financialization is understood to mean the vastly expanded role of financial motives, financial markets, financial actors and financial institutions in the operation of domestic and international economies.
Sociological and political interpretation have also been made. In his 2006 book, American Theocracy: The Peril and Politics of Radical Religion, Oil, and Borrowed Money in the 21st Century, American writer and commentator Kevin Phillips presented financialization as “a process whereby financial services, broadly construed, take over the dominant economic, cultural, and political role in a national economy.” (page 268). Philips considers that the financialization of the U.S. economy follows the same pattern that marked the beginning of the decline of Habsburg Spain in the 16th century, the Dutch trading empire in the 18th century, and the British Empire in the 19th century: (It is also worth pointing out that the true final step in each of these historical economies is; collapse)."
But when another major collapse comes, the financial fraudsters and gamblers will simply transfer the losses to the people and give themselves big bailouts and bonuses.
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11/17/2011 10:52am, #177
The fact that so many people are moved to stand together, indicates that our government should address the needs of our people instead of their pledges to Grover Norquist etc.
11/17/2011 11:00am, #178
Pat is getting there but behind those charts is the insane "fake" money that the centralized banking systems create and trade to each other. We really need to cripple or dissolve the Federal Reserve. The problem as I've researched it is that we can't dissolve the Fed without the rest of the World doing it too especially the Euro Zone. We are now deeply connected to the European Central Bank. This is one of the tricks Tim Geithner pulled when he "saved the economy" in 2007-8.
I just don't see a way out of the pretend money game without a world wide financial reset.
11/17/2011 11:04am, #179
Here's a very short post.
"I view derivatives as time bombs, both for the parties that deal in them and the economic system." - Warren Buffet, 2002
There, did everyone manage to digest that little tidbit?
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11/17/2011 11:13am, #180
I still think derivatives are a symptom not the disease. The free money game played by the Fed and large investment banks is what has made it possible. That and the fact that the Fed has NO business posing as a "regulator". The very idea that the FDIC and the Fed could disagree is insane.