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  1. 9chambers

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    11/23/2002 3:38am


     

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    >or just grabbing the hair and placing the back of his head on the pavement.

    Sounds like Sting's Scorpion Deathdrop from WCW. Totally sweet.

    SDD:

    Grab the hair, spit in his face, wrap your other arm over his neck from behind .. your bicep should end up over his esophogus .. drop to the ground slamming his head into the floor.
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    >or just grabbing the hair and placing the back of his head on the pavement.


    This is why I have no hair.

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    Gong: that just means I use your eye sockets, you decide which is worse <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

    9chambers: like a reverse guillotine? Instead, try stepping forward on a knee, breaking the neck.

    Anyone have counters for any of those holds?
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    11/23/2002 7:17am

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    Escaping from a Triangle Choke:

    There are a few ways to escape or prevent pressure from Judo's Sankaku Jime, whats commonly called a triangle choke. If the opponent is wearing a Gi one way to force him to release is to grab his lapel with the same arm that is trapped. Your other hand will LOOSELY grab his lapel lower. You will force his lapel across his throat with one hand while pulling with the other. This works with most clothing, not just a Gi. I've seen guys do this with T-Shirts in a Purple Belt no-gi division.

    One way to lessen the pressure from a triangle when you and your oppoent are wearing no shirts is to push against his knee while turning your head very forcefuly to the side to release pressure on your Carotid and allow blood to travel to your brain.
    "All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC


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  5. 9chambers

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    Yea, exactly like that.

    Hmm .. a counter for the reverse guillotine (Scorpion Deathdrop), that's a tough one .. you'd have to try to wrap his arm and shoulder and hold tight then spin really quick as you fall by shooting your leg out and across.

    Even if it works he'll be on your back but at least you don't have a broken neck. Hope it breaks the choke. Its not an excellent plan but at least its a plan.
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    >Gong: that just means I use your eye sockets, you decide which is worse <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

    LOL. Seriously tho, my eye sockets are not generally available for use in this manner (to control me), but hair is almost always useable (can be grabbed from/pulled to any direction). If you can get behind me, I've pretty much failed already. Not that I'd give up, but I must be really screwing up something fierce if you can get behind me. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> On the ground is a different story altogether.

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    btw, sorry for not adding to the discussion at hand...I'm tapped.

    (Get it...tapped...I kill me! <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>)

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    Heres one I'll take heat for if any BJJ guys see.

    Escape from the rear naked choke:

    When your opponent is on your back with a choke sunk in, your in real trouble. If the choke is sunk in perfectly then you have about 3 or 4 seconds before the lack of blood to your brain causes blackout.

    Alot of times when someone is on your back the choke is NOT sunk in perfectly. Their elbow is sometimes not directly under the chin, making it somewhat of a strangle rather than a real choke. When this happens you have a few moments where you can attampt an escape. We're going to assume your opponents RIGHT ARM is around your neck.

    1- Arch your back, coming up on the balls on your feet. You want to drive your head into the mat BEHIND YOU. This will create pressure on the man behind you as you bridge into him.

    2- Grab the sleeve of his right arm with both hands(by his shoulder) and pull down HARD. While arching this is going to allow you to turn your head into him and releive some of the pressure.

    3- Grab his OPPOSITE knee and push hard while turning your body. With any luck this will allow you to turn completely around, ending with you in your opponents guard.
    "All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC


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    Gong: You sure can use them in this position. You just reach over stick a couple fingers in one eye(you could do it with two as well) and pull back and down on the bone that is above your eye. It's a natural handle. Try it out sometime. It really does work.
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    One thing I have noticed is there is not a lot of talk of using pressure points. That is my favorite way to create a little room or at least make it uncomfotable for the man on top.
    My favorite is a knuckle grind to the floating rib on a guilotine or a knife hand push when you are in kesa gatame.
    Neither are enough to just bust out of a hold, but it creates space...and space is good.
    And that's when I figured out that tears couldn't make somebody who was dead alive again. There's another thing to learn about tears, they can't make somebody who doesn't love you any more love you again. It's the same with prayers. I wonder how much of their lives people waste crying and praying to God. If you ask me, the devil makes more sense than God does. I can at least see why people would want him around. It's good to have somebody to blame for the bad stuff they do. Maybe God's there because people get scared of all the bad stuff they do. They figure that God and the Devil are always playing this game of tug-of-war game with them. And they never know which side they're gonna wind up on. I guess that tug-of-war idea explains how sometimes, even when people try to do something good, it still turns out bad.
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