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  1. PeedeeShaolin is offline
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    Lets make all the BJJ guys sweat and give away some counters to basic submission holds <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I'll start with a couple:

    Achillies hold: When your opponent is crushing your ankle the first thing you need to do is "put the boots on". This means STOMPING towards your opponent so the pressure moves AWAY from your ankle and more towards your calf. The next thing you need to do is reach under the wrist that is applying the pressure and use that as a handle to sit up on top of your opponent.

    Heel Hook: When your opponent begins to twist your foot it causes terrible pressure on the medial collateral ligament of your knee. This can quickly go from 'No pain' to 'The hospitol'. When your opponent begins to twist you need to roll in the very same direction. While on your belly put your other foot on your opponents butt and KICK really hard to release the hold. You may have to rill several times to get your foot out but just keep rolling and pushing.

    Lets here some more like how to escape from:

    Rear naked(opponent on your back)
    Guillotione
    Armbar
    Kneebar
    Kimura
    "All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC


    Reverse punch Kiaii!!!
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    11/21/2002 4:40am

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    How to escape from a side headlock

    **The Nice way**Bring your right arm up and over the left side of the holder's face and place the knife edge of your hand directly under the nose of your opponent. Now push up and back on the nose to tilt the holder's head back, then push down and around in a circle towards your left side. As you do this, take a step with your right foot and drop to your knee, bringing the holder down to the ground.

    There are other not so nice ways, which we won't go into :-)
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    11/21/2002 4:44am

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    Hey is that Jamoke in the headlock?
    "All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC


    Reverse punch Kiaii!!!
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    11/21/2002 4:46am

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    Possibly... But we're trying to stay on topic right? <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
  5. Michael

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    11/21/2002 5:18am


     

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    Actually the foot counter we like to roll the body half way to prevent that one Peedee.
  6. 9chambers

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    11/21/2002 6:33am


     

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    The way to counter a lot of things is just to either rush the battle or rush the attacker. In other words if he twists you one way then you move that way ahead of him. (taking away his leverage) You get there first and attack. Often this involves rushing or crowding him. Many throws can be countered by simply crowding a guy and grabbing him or wrapping his waist.


    Edited by - 9chambers on November 21 2002 06:00:10
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    11/21/2002 9:56am

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    Rear Naked -

    First thing is to try to relieve some of the pressure on your neck, pull down on the choking arm and try to get your chin down.

    You need to now turn into the choke, if he's choking with the right you turn to the right. You can only do this if you first release the opposite hook ie. the one hooking your left hip.

    You must do this before the sub is sunk in otherwise you'll never get out, it's hard.

    P.s If he has a gi/clothing on you can use this to help relieve the pressure, try and grab far up near the shoulder and pull down.

    Hope this is clear enough, if not tell me.

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    Edited by - slj on November 21 2002 09:58:46
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    11/21/2002 2:26pm


     

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    Against rear naked choke.

    You are probably screwed but grab the arm that is pushing the back of your head and get it out of there to relieve pressure and do what SLJ said. Watch out for gi chokes if wearing thick clothes.

    Armbar- Get top position. Stack the opponent, grab your own hand, and try to get your elbow out. Stomp on his face (but NEVER release pressure from the back of his neck and ground)

    Kneebar- roll sideways so your knee is not facing him directly. Bend your leg and start working for a toe-hold of your own.

    Head lock-

    Punch him in the balls until he lets go (if the headlock is the one in the above picture). Get his back and choke him out.

    Guillotine-

    Get your chin in the way so he doesn't get a complete grip around your neck to buy you time.
    Take him down, pass guard, dig your fingers into his eyes until he lets go, once he does then smash his face from top position.

    Kimura- Straighten your arm and turn it as best you can. With your free hand hook his foot if it's hitched wrong and pass guard. If his feet aren't hitched, push on one leg and pass guard.

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    11/21/2002 3:32pm

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    9chambers: IME most throws work only if you are close. Usually the way to counter a throw is to create a distance between you and the thrower... but that's another thread
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    Posted On:
    11/21/2002 3:36pm


     

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    Rear Naked Choke -

    If you are lucky you might get someone who crosses their ankles (like I have seen taught many times - not in a bjj school).

    I was initially taught many many years ago to just cross the ankles to keep the person from getting away (long before the first UFC). This worked great against people who knew no counters - they would pretty much just give up as soon as I got the arms in place becuase they thought their was no counter.

    Many years later when I took my first bjj class I was able to get a rear naked choke on a bjj blue belt - I crossed my ankles - I was positive I had the guy and about 1 second later I was tapping so fast and hard it was silly.

    All he did was cross his ankles over mine - his left calf went over my right ankle (my right ankle was on top) and then he crossed his right over his left and squeezed - I decided to tap rather than let my ankle break :-)



    Edited by - yanewbs on November 21 2002 14:39:21
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