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  1. Sorekara is offline

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    Too bad, this thread is in YMAS, but, since it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    To be more direct this is being a dick:


    For 2 reasons.
    1) It is just painful and won't stop anything if your opponent is skilled.
    2) Why are you trying to stop him from pulling guard? You should be learning how to pass.

    In general stopping someone from going to a normal position in the very beginning of a roll is a dick move. You are both trying to learn and most of the time people are just trying to fall into a starting position. In tournament or drilling sure try to stop someone from getting guard but in practice learn to pass.
    I feel what your saying.

    i was thinking about this last night in relation to learning and correct technique.

    I posted this in YMAS because it was a pretty broad question and didn't want to pull a 'dick move' and post it in Basic Technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdempsey View Post
    I'm a newb crappler too, is it bad etiquette to use a forearm across the throat when in someone's guard?
    We had a n00b at Judo who was a high school wrestler who slammed my throat with his forearm while we were doing newaza (he totally displaced my trachea and I had pain and difficulty swallowing for weeks). Unfortunately my instinctual reaction to get him off of me was a very hard thumb in his eye, which he thought was a "dick move". LOL
    Last edited by Jim_Jude; 11/02/2011 10:33pm at . Reason: typo
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
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    Nyuck nyuck nyuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auszi View Post
    Even arm bars are in a sense pain submissions, you tap or you enter a lot of pain.
    Quote Originally Posted by Auszi View Post
    Where do you draw the line? Because submission is essentially causing pain.

    An armbar isn't considered a pain compliance technique because its primary purpose is to maim. On top of that, it only hurts when the elbow starts to pop. You should have enough control that you can apply pressure and force your partner to tap without that happening. Speaking from experience, if you're waiting until it hurts to tap even if its early enough to avoid a broken arm, it won't be long before you develop joint problems.

    Pain compliance techniques are best used to create openings for higher percentage submissions, but only from a dominant position. Otherwise you've just pissed off someone who's got control of you (not a good idea). The thing is, if you're already in a dominant position, you really shouldn't need them. Good technique will create the same openings, and it won't require you to hurt your training partners.

    I've trained at a number of different schools around the country over the past 5 or so years, and one thing I've observed is that the guys who do use all the pain compliance crap on their partners never last very long. First, their game doesn't develop because they resort to things like you were doing with your partner to avoid losing position. Crushing your partner's calf is not the proper way to keep them from regaining guard, and anyone with a tiny bit of experience will counter you easily. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if you tried that on the same guy in a month and he made you pay for it.

    Second, it doesn't take long for the word to get around if some noob is trying to hurt his training partners. The great thing about martial arts is that these situations resolve themselves very quickly. Either the noob learns to take care of his partners or someone seriously injures him and he's never heard from again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jude View Post
    We had a n00b at Judo who was a high school wrestler who slammed my throat with his forearm while we were doing newaza (he totally displaced my trachea and I had pain and difficulty swallowing for weeks). Unfortunately my instinctual reaction to get him off of me was a very hard thumb in his eye, which he thought was a "dick move". LOL
    Aaah... nothing like that moment when you realise you've been a dick. ... again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrett View Post
    I've trained at a number of different schools around the country over the past 5 or so years, and one thing I've observed is that the guys who do use all the pain compliance crap on their partners never last very long.
    They also seem to be the guys that blame their competition losses on the ruleset. "If I was allowed to do X, I would've won".
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    I have one that my coach taught us. I've stopped using it because I've realised that doing it to people who are better than me causes them to be less nice to me.

    Basically after a standing guard pass, what you do is cling on to their lapels, so they're standing, with you wrapped up around them. At this point you shake them via their lapels, It screws with their balance, causes everyone to laugh at a competition, and also gets you slammed onto the mat sometimes.

    I mean it's legit, and hillarious to see apparently. but I wouldn't use it in everyday rolling.
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    My favorite move is to get side controll, rip open my gi, pull down the top of my shirt and cup my man boob as if breast feeding, then stick it in the guys face.

    Works awesome till the guy starts sucking my nipple. Or worse yer, biting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    To be more direct this is being a dick:
    I have been O soto gari-ing, from the knees, to Uki gatami/knee on belly pretty much everyone except a few purple belts and the black belt instructor.

    Am I teh dick or just thuper 133T?

    I suspect its just they have never encountered Judo offence, from the knees, before.
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