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  1. Epicurus is offline

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    Name of this turtle turnover into armbar?

    When I attack the turtle, my go-to technique is to get a hook in and go for a face-down armbar. This has been pretty so-so in terms of success rate for me.

    Recently I discovered that you can turn someone over onto their backs from this position, then go for the armbar from there. No one at my club seems to know what this technique is called exactly, or the finer points of doing it.

    Here is the technique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaLqVKdzlmE
    (skip to 0:30).

    I'm trying to find a video that breaks down the technique step by step and shows a few more details. The one I linked to here would be perfect if the first two parts that the coach refers to were up on youtube (and the camera wasn't behind his back).

    My search-fu turns up nothing. Doesn't help that I don't know what it's called or how to describe it.

    Anyone have a good guide to this technique that I can use to supplement my training?
    "[Fighting for Points] is doubtless very pretty, and invariably draws applause, but preferences should always be given to blows that do some business, to good straight hits that do something toward finishing the fight.
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    Doesn't really have an official name, Judo doesn't label transitional techniques like that.

    "Juji gatame roll over" is probably the best you're going to get... note that there are quite a few variations of this technique.

    Edit: found a few here for you:

    I actually find it better to pull the leg around towards your head rather than try to pull them straight over like he does in that vid.

    It's also worth taking an extra second to secure their arm properly by gripping your own collar (which this guy doesn't bother doing for some reason).


    This one, they have a better chance of locking their arms so you gotta **** around breaking their grip afterwards. In BJJ who gives a ****, but in Judo you're unfortunately always on the clock (you're not clear on what you're training... I'm figuring BJJ. PS edit your style field man!).

    Edit edit: Here's Craig Fallon doing a better version.

    http://www.britishjudoeducation.org....ll-over-entry/

    Edit edit edit: haha, so fucking obvious... good luck getting this to work on anyone with half a clue though.

    http://www.britishjudoeducation.org....it-back-entry/
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    good discussion of turtle turnover to armlock here http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=96853&page=1
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  4. Epicurus is offline

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    Thanks guys, that's exactly what I'm looking for.
    "[Fighting for Points] is doubtless very pretty, and invariably draws applause, but preferences should always be given to blows that do some business, to good straight hits that do something toward finishing the fight.
    A man who has carefully trained for brilliant tapping play, will find himself considerably out of it in case he is called upon to do any real work."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicurus View Post
    Here is the technique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaLqVKdzlmE
    (skip to 0:30).

    I'm trying to find a video that breaks down the technique step by step and shows a few more details. The one I linked to here would be perfect if the first two parts that the coach refers to were up on youtube (and the camera wasn't behind his back).
    That's the Neil Adams Juji, roll. He says so on the video 'Yesterday we did the Russian version, this is the Adams' version'.

    There are plenty of videos on it, but I'm going to blow my own horn here and say that my blog description of the technique is the best breakdown available, for free, on the internet.

    http://thedifficultway.blogspot.com/...ll-hidden.html

    The 'Russian' version he talks about is the Iatskevitch roll

    I break down the Iatskevitch roll here:

    http://thedifficultway.blogspot.com/...vitch-and.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    That's the Neil Adams Juji, roll. He says so on the video 'Yesterday we did the Russian version, this is the Adams' version'.
    Couldn't make out the word "Adams", I thought he was saying "Abbot" and spent like 10 minutes googling that.

    Thanks for the links, they're good stuff.
    "[Fighting for Points] is doubtless very pretty, and invariably draws applause, but preferences should always be given to blows that do some business, to good straight hits that do something toward finishing the fight.
    A man who has carefully trained for brilliant tapping play, will find himself considerably out of it in case he is called upon to do any real work."
    -A.J. Newton, Boxing.
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    Here is another nice turtle turnover
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    It's actually called the "post series" since you post on your forehead.

    Adams and Siesenbacher(sp) were the two guys who utilized this in tournaments and popularized it.

    There are several grips and variations but they are all very effective.

    Adams utilized a figure four grip and Siesenbacher used a lapel grip.


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