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    Tuhon Gaje is against mixing?



    Does this make sense to anybody?

    As long as there have been MAs, the exchange of ideas and techniques (amicable or otherwise) has been invaluable in their development. Judo, for example, famously draws from Tenjin Shin'yo Ryu and Kito Ryu, the former of which had roots in the Akiyama line of Yoshin Ryu; the same Aikiyama that travelled to China to learn MA. Anyone familiar with AYR knows that it's possibly THE most influential school of Jujutsu to have existed in Japan...

    Barring that, the Grand Tuhon need look no farther than his homeland to appreciate the invaluable role that mixing has played in FMA. IIRC, PTK is essentially the result of interplay between Muslim settlers and the local populace's MA...

    It's fair to say that there are successful and non-successful ways to mix, but to discount the practise entirely and compare it to binge eating? *Heads'plode

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    Same 'ol same 'ol. Fear of change and fear of "new". Simple as that.

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    Maybe the politics are to blame. If PTK is to be the premier MA of the country, then there must be pressure to live up to that status both outside and inside PTK. Relatedly, being a "complete" system is also a big promise; not only is it bad PR to suggest that PTK isn't perfect, its role in the military must require considerable quality control and mixing could be a wild card.

    This concludes our first chapter on PTK apologetics, ending in me sleeping peacefully tonight. Tune in tomorrow for continued angst.

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    So how does he explain DBMA?

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    this is from PTK website:
    Quote Originally Posted by PTKGO.com
    Pekiti-Tirsia Kali is the most complete, advanced, and effective system of Filipino Martial Arts in existence today. Pekiti-Tirsia is a true combat Bladefighting system of authentic Filipino Martial Art that employs all edged and impact weaponry, empty-hands combat, and integrates seamlessly with the use of modern firearms.

    Quite a claim but I'm sure there isn't much competition when it comes to FMAs with "ALL EDGED AND IMPACT WEAPONRY", plus both unarmed AND firearms. Why crosstrain when they have everything you need? FMA One-stop Shopping!!!!
    "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
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    A couple reasons come to mind, namely just scheduling (you might not be able to train as often as you'd like) and further unarmed training; AFAIK PTK only really spars often with rattan sticks and some training weapons. The sparring vids out there also seem to be usually a back and forth with weapons where the grappling and striking techniques on display in drills don't seem to come into play (although I'm not sure this is the case universally in PTK or other FMA).

    PTK might indeed have a "complete" curriculum, but maintaining it is an added chore that the ostensibly edged and blunt weapons system is, I'm willing to bet, hard-pressed to manage. I want to say it could be "satisfactory", but if the sparring isn't there my confidence isn't either.

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    There's a kernel of truth there, in that you can't just mix whatever you like. Arts (or pieces of arts) have to be compatible or altered in a way so that they're compatible, or they won't mix well.

    That said, he takes it too far because of marketing. Making the extreme claims that he does for Pekiti Tirsia puts him into some pretty absurd logical extremes that he has to either defend, or else contradict himself. People without any critical thinking skills (or those who put them aside to buy into the image) eat that **** up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tim_stl View Post
    There's a kernel of truth there, in that you can't just mix whatever you like. Arts (or pieces of arts) have to be compatible or altered in a way so that they're compatible, or they won't mix well.

    That said, he takes it too far because of marketing. Making the extreme claims that he does for Pekiti Tirsia puts him into some pretty absurd logical extremes that he has to either defend, or else contradict himself. People without any critical thinking skills (or those who put them aside to buy into the image) eat that **** up.


    Tim
    I can see where your coming from on that Tim.

    @ Tim. Aren't you here I Gulf Breeze/Pensacola area? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jspeedy View Post
    @ Tim. Aren't you here I Gulf Breeze/Pensacola area? Or am I confusing you with someone else?
    No, I'm in St. Louis. We had an exchange before about Garimot Arnis, the style I practice, and the head of the style being in Florida, so that's probably what you're remembering.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tim_stl View Post
    No, I'm in St. Louis. We had an exchange before about Garimot Arnis, the style I practice, and the head of the style being in Florida, so that's probably what you're remembering.


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    Ah, that's right.

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