10/28/2011 11:03am, #11
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10/28/2011 11:54am, #13
As for striking the dummy vs. striking the bag? Is the dummy ever actually punched full force and with combinations? I was under the impression that the forearms are the main striking tool used on the dummy. For bag, the forearms are used less (if at all) and the focus is the first and kicks of course but I'm mainly focusing on hand techniques with this little diatribe.
So to sum up my poorly contained point.So what's better, hitting something harder, or hitting something slightly less hard but longer? I'd love to know the answer to this question
Of course, I've never really trained on a dummy but I've watched guys use them in person and seen a lot of video online so I don't want to be too cocky in my conclusions. Feel free to correct or add onto my argument.
10/28/2011 12:04pm, #14
Let's stop going in this direction. I didn't say you can do bridging with a heavy bag. I explained why you don't get something so expensive if you aren't committed. Of course, it was much more wordy. Take the heavy bag attachment away you can still use the heavy bag. A good wooden dummy is useless for any other art except bridge heavy MAs.
If you are going for cheapness get the attachment for saving money. A heavy bag is useless for bridging alone.
10/28/2011 1:10pm, #15
Bridging is major component of Hung Ga Kuen, and hung ga has been validated in competitions (UFC, lei tai, sanda, etc) for over at least a hundred years. This is why Hung ga is one of the most popular and respected CMAs inside or outside of China...most of the training is directly applicable to fighting.
Please don't do the crap-by-association game, not all Southern CMA are the same, good hung ga training is very different from wing chun training. That said, of course, bad training is bad training in any art.
As far as bridging no I never meant to imply using the bag for bridge training, that is something I'd advocate with a partner. We don't really use the dummy that much, because good Hung ga schools actively support alive, resistive bridge training with partners as opposed to dead bridging on objects. That kind of thing is limited to merely toughening the arms on your own. I personally always prefer a partner over any device (get your mind out of the gutter...).
I meant bone/impact conditioning, the kind you do in da saam sing. Basically, hitting the heavy bag with your forearm as opposed to just your fist. People hit the heavy bag with their fists, feet, knees...what's so bad about hitting it with your forearms?
Nothing wrong with a good clothesline strike.
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10/28/2011 1:32pm, #16
I don't think anyone implied that you could train bridging effectively with a heavy bag.
The forearm and bridging conditioning of the dummy only helps those who do chun or a similiar art, and we all know how applicable those arts can be considered to a fight.
This discussion was not intended to be a debate on which training tool, a heavy bag or a wooden dummy, was better overall , rather , the question asked was : which of the two would I be better served by purchasing for training ? I think everyone agrees that a HB is more useful overall, as IIF pointed out.
Then we began questioning whether the maximal conditioning benefits of an iron or wooden dummy could be obtained through HB work.
I'm not sure why one wouldn't want to strike a heavybag with their forearms ? I practice hammer and reverse-hammer blows using my forearms on my bag all the time. Not so much for conditioning, but for practicing technique.
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10/28/2011 1:42pm, #17" If one wants to have a friend one must also want to wage war for him: and to wage war one must be capable of being an enemy." - Fr. Nietzsche 'On The Friend' Thus Spake Zarathustra
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