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    My Daito Ryu trumps your Aikido

    Personally, I do not like the large circle techniques and wasted movement of Aikido. I am a big believer in grabbing a pressure point, setting up a joint lock, and whether I snap the joint or not is up to the situation; however, I have never found a situation where I had to snap the joint. A little pressure goes a long way to let someone know don't mess with me again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubo67 View Post
    Personally, I do not like the large circle techniques and wasted movement of Aikido. I am a big believer in grabbing a pressure point, setting up a joint lock, and whether I snap the joint or not is up to the situation; however, I have never found a situation where I had to snap the joint. A little pressure goes a long way to let someone know don't mess with me again.
    Cool dude, maybe you could attend a Bullshido Throwdown and share?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubo67 View Post
    Personally, I do not like the large circle techniques and wasted movement of Aikido. I am a big believer in grabbing a pressure point, setting up a joint lock, and whether I snap the joint or not is up to the situation; however, I have never found a situation where I had to snap the joint. A little pressure goes a long way to let someone know don't mess with me again.
    Horses for courses regarding aikido, I've seen a considerable amount of bullshit in Dai-to Ryu too.

    Explain to me what your pressure point tactics mean to an alcohol or drug fuelled individual who's pain receptors are blocked and therefore doesn't feel compelled to comply through pain ? Or, someone who is considerably stronger than you, and or, where those supposed pressure points are concealed through bulk muscle ?

    How many actual fights have you encountered which qualifies your opinion ?

    I spent a number of years as a Discipline Officer within a Max security prison as part of a crisis intervention team so, I have a considerable amount of hands on experience in dealing with fully resisting, non compliant individuals who have very little to lose in getting involved in violent confrontations. Pressure point tactics DO NOT WORK on determined people.

    Subluxating, dislocating and or fracturing joints is pretty easy to do mechanically, setting up however is an entirely different story so this leads me back to my earlier question of how many times you've encountered fights which qualifies your original opinion ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubo67 View Post
    Personally, I do not like the large circle techniques and wasted movement of Aikido. I am a big believer in grabbing a pressure point, setting up a joint lock, and whether I snap the joint or not is up to the situation; however, I have never found a situation where I had to snap the joint. A little pressure goes a long way to let someone know don't mess with me again.
    Cool story bro, but your casual, matter-of-fact talk of pressure points and joint locks against resisting opponents tells me you're full of ****.
    "The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". - Cus D'Amato
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Ape View Post
    Horses for courses regarding aikido, I've seen a considerable amount of bullshit in Dai-to Ryu too.

    Explain to me what your pressure point tactics mean to an alcohol or drug fuelled individual who's pain receptors are blocked and therefore doesn't feel compelled to comply through pain ? Or, someone who is considerably stronger than you, and or, where those supposed pressure points are concealed through bulk muscle ?

    How many actual fights have you encountered which qualifies your opinion ?

    I spent a number of years as a Discipline Officer within a Max security prison as part of a crisis intervention team so, I have a considerable amount of hands on experience in dealing with fully resisting, non compliant individuals who have very little to lose in getting involved in violent confrontations. Pressure point tactics DO NOT WORK on determined people.

    Subluxating, dislocating and or fracturing joints is pretty easy to do mechanically, setting up however is an entirely different story so this leads me back to my earlier question of how many times you've encountered fights which qualifies your original opinion ?
    Yep, all of the cops and prison guards that I've done JJJ & Judo with insist that mechanical compliance is MUCH more reliable than pain compliance or pressure points. One of the guards was subduing a prisoner with I believe it was kataha jime but he'd unknowingly broken the guy's collar bone on the raised arm side in the initial scrap, the guy was screaming so bad no one messed with him for over a year. Word got around!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubo67 View Post
    Personally, I do not like the large circle techniques and wasted movement of Aikido. I am a big believer in grabbing a pressure point, setting up a joint lock, and whether I snap the joint or not is up to the situation; however, I have never found a situation where I had to snap the joint. A little pressure goes a long way to let someone know don't mess with me again.
    DEAR GOD STFU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gezere View Post
    DEAR GOD STFU!

    And to the rest of you, If this place become an Aikido (or even Aikijujutsu) love shack I'm nuking the whole place from orbit!!!! Don't tempt me I have the power and will use it! If Phrost lets me and all the staff, Rock Ape included, holds a biweekly meeting to discuss the issued and its carried over by a 2/3 majority THEN you will see my wrath!!!!!!!
    Dude, it's not good form to cause me to exhale diet coke through my nostrils.

    SERIOUSLY.

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