1947 Judo. What have we lost?

**Coach Josh** · Posted On: 10/23/2011 10:07am

Originally Posted by erezb

you guys have good wrestling in the USA, i guess if a kid is to choose he will go with the one that can earn him a scholarship.

My former student is ranked #3 in the country in Judo and goes to school on a partial wrestling scholarship.

Look it's just wishful thinking on my part. Nothing is going to change people are idiots when you get them together as a group. Judo has been marginalized and still is for that matter as a sport. Thankfully MMA has put some light on good martial arts and people are taking us serious again.

Judoka can improve the status of Judo by going out and compete in BJJ nogi and MMA. Coaches have to start educating themselves on grappling as a whole and stop focusing on judo contest rules and start focusing on Judo as the martial art.

Pat Burris is a fine example. I see his guys competing in all venues and doing well. I see what he is doing at USA Stars and what we are doing at our academy and believe that this is what the future of martial arts will be. Many styles of martial arts under one roof working together to improve people's lives. Producing competitors as a secondary aspect of the academy not it's main goal.

Judoka I think you need to read Kano's thoughts on kata. He understood the benefit of them as a training tool and understood that they were not the only thing you needed. The kata he developed were to hold onto the past(the one that deals with throwing people in armor/armour) and allow people of various physical and technical skill the ability to train and learn techniques. BTW kata was the only form of judo women were allowed to do for some time.

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**judoratt** · Posted On: 11/22/2011 4:37pm

Originally Posted by Team Python

I think Judo that is practice in the U.S. is not the same as in European countries or Japan. I think sport in any martial art can be problematic at times. I see the same happening in BJJ as well. I have personally talked with Masters and Grandmasters in BJJ and they say that BJJ is being watered down in a lot of the schools due to the competition aspect of BJJ. Personally I hope BJJ never becomes an Olympic sport.

What is the difference between the Judo i practice here and the judo in Japan and Europe? Please educate me.

**Res Judicata** · Posted On: 11/22/2011 4:48pm

Originally Posted by judoratt

What is the difference between the Judo i practice here and the judo in Japan and Europe? Please educate me.

He answered that later on. US Judo is, at best, mediocre compared to places like Japan, Korea, France, etc. And that's certainly true. It's the same judo, but the people practicing it are, as a group and on average, not as good.

**Muerteds** · Posted On: 11/22/2011 9:19pm

Coach Josh, I rarely post in this forum, as I let other people typically go on and on about the nuts and bolts. But in this case, I have an answer to a lot of what's going on in your head:

In 1947 judo = jujitsu. There was no difference. If you look at a lot of the old Kodenkan stuff (danzan ryu), they called themselves judo and jujitsu interchangeably for quite some time. So judoka_UK's assessment that this is stuff you will find in a jujitsu school is correct. Jujitsu/Judo at that time was becoming popular, as more and more Japanese were willing to teach foreigners. But the big split, if you will, didn't happen till much later. And that split can largely be attributed to the rise of high-level competition judo at the Kodokan and the organizations to manage it.

I agree with you completely that the judo in the U.S. would benefit from some of this "older" material. And in fact, the school I'm attending here in Hawai'i did exactly that a couple weeks ago. We went over to the Tenri Judo school (nice judo school, btw), and did a clinic on working older jujitsu into their current judo. Everyone had fun, I think. As for myself, having done three kinds of "jujitsu" along with "judo", I can see the analogues between them pretty easily.

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled, high-end slap fight. Nice video, by the way.

Edit: Hooray for tora katsugi at 2:48! I love that one.

**judoratt** · Posted On: 11/22/2011 9:35pm

Originally Posted by Res Judicata

He answered that later on. US Judo is, at best, mediocre compared to places like Japan, Korea, France, etc. And that's certainly true. It's the same judo, but the people practicing it are, as a group and on average, not as good.

We have a few local kids that are as good as any in the world. I will agree that as a whole the US we are less competitive. But I belive it is more of a # problem than qualitry. Japan has more than 3million players korea maybee 1million and France over 1/2 million. The US has as best 25k.
with France having ta least 20 times more players Korea 40 times and Japan 120 times more players there is more athletes and money to develop players. As disadvantaged as we are I belive we are doing a prety good job. But this is just my opinion.

Just one more question what is a Grand Master in Jujitsu never heard if it. Again thanks for the education.

***jnp*** · Posted On: 11/22/2011 10:20pm

Originally Posted by judoratt

Just one more question what is a Grand Master in Jujitsu never heard if it. Again thanks for the education.

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