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    Constant impact and microcracking (and yes from the effects of gravity and weight training too) is the only physical mechanism that really makes structural (cortical) bones hard in the first place. As SifuJason pointed out, its a stressor on the bone that strengthens it. It doesn't matter how you get the microcracks, but the fact that over time it forms harder cortical bone, and you can speed that up significantly with certain exercises. I can't speak to the makiwara because I hit pads, bags, or other people, personally.

    Deer antlers are exterior cortical bone, and they are hardened (and sharpened to nice, deadly points) through constant rutting and inter-buck combat.

    http://www.jbiomech.com/article/S002...319-6/abstract

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    EDIT: someone already explained

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    Anyone ever seen the Karate section of a film called "Budo Art of Killing" ? If there's ever a doubt that specific training can harden one's bones, that will prove strong evidence - the Karateka punching the buffer on a steam train suggests so.

    See 1.48 of the clip

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    I always thought it was mostly BS, but I keep hearing it so I wanted some confirmation. I'm used to typically working on the heavy bag completely bare knuckle, and I do so regularly. I have yet to deal with any kind of swelling or irritation to my hands, but I see the point of using the gloves and wraps when going heavily with the bag.

    Appreciate the confirmation guys.

    @Rock Ape - personally love watching that film, I can never determine how hokey some of it is, but the karate section has always made me laugh a little bit. The judo section, from what I remember, was pretty interesting.

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    Its hokey mate no mistaking that but, there's gems in there as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Ape View Post
    Its hokey mate no mistaking that but, there's gems in there as well
    Without a doubt, and for the record, now you've got me watching all of the clips you just put in the sticky!

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    LOL..

    Enjoy

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    That, obviously, was the film I was referencing when I made the "punch the side of a train car" comment.

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    WTF was the point of Rock APes video he posted? this is what I don't get, as in how stupid this crap is.

    You see the Karate guy toughening his snake strike on hard objects. Yes its cool that he can break wood with his fingertips. It has ZERO martial merit.
    You do not hit hard objects with a snake strike, you hit soft fleshy ones, like the throat. So wtf is the point of conditioning this strike?

    ANY strike does not have to be conditiopned, it is useless. Either you are doing stupid strikes (such as trying to use an eye gouge technique on someones chest lol) or you have bad form/weak muscles (such as you wrist bending when you punch).

    Either way, conditioning will do ZERO to correct this.

    Please anyone counter this? WHat a waste of time for any serious martial artist beyond hurting yourself and having some cool things to show people.

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    "Hey I can punch train, slam down nails into wood even!"

    "Hey, you know you aren't supposed to punch trains, right And they make hammers for that?"

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