Thread: Occupy This
10/13/2011 10:52pm, #11
10/13/2011 10:54pm, #12
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10/13/2011 11:30pm, #13
As for that manifesto....all I see is the same old tired talking points that the left has been peddling for decades:
"You can't hug your kids with nuclear arms!"
"A cow is a dog is a pig is a boy!"
"&^% the police!"
10/14/2011 12:12am, #14
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the things this whole thing is supposed to protest the fact that there were basically no legal repercussions after the recent economic crisis and basically the lack of regulations in the banking business which in turn leads to very high-risk and very complex financial products and stuff like that?
I haven't really been following it, but it seems like those things are actually protest-worthy.
10/14/2011 1:15am, #15
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Pat I'm usually on the other side of most arguments than you, but on this one I'm standing slightly with you. CEO's and other high ranking corporate owners are ridiculously overpaid and don't contribute the value that they are being paid (unless of course they are like Steve Jobs and make the company). There is an entire class of Americans who have set up this system and another set of rules. I'm not one to take others ****, and I don't plan on supporting government laws that do. However a social change is in order.
But there are a lot of fucking retarded people out there at those protests to which it is entirely ok to mock them.
10/14/2011 1:37am, #16
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10/14/2011 2:13am, #17
I went skateboarding downtown tonight, and they were doing an occupy wall street protest, which I ended up marching with less out of solidarity and more out of curiosity. Small crowd, small impact. The focus was quite varied, with people in sandwich boards about economic reform next to a hippy tent taking signatures for marijuana reeform. Walked by a group reeking of pot that was explaining how flashbangs and teargas work (I really doubt they'll need it).
I've seen a few protests, and have noticed that there's experienced malcontents, who can be easily identified because they conceal their faces with bandanas, wear close fitting clothes and carry a backpack of goodies. There was a good number of these people, ordering with megaphones. So, while this is being presented as a public outrage, it also seems to be experience for the public protesters/anarchists to work on gathering, moving, protesting and dealing with cops etc.
10/14/2011 5:54am, #18
10/14/2011 7:13am, #19
I'm on a lunch break, and can't research this problem. Here's an article form the Economist http://www.economist.com/node/3518560?story_id=3518560. I haven't read it in a long time, so I hope I've remembered the right one.
Basically there has always been a big gap between the haves and the have-nots in America, but this was balanced out by a high level of social mobility. It was possible to be born poor and make your fortune, and at the other end of the scale, if you didn't take care of your money you could lose it all.
Then something happened, and social mobility dropped. It started to become that the rich got richer and there was less chance of a poor person making it. When the banks were declared "too big to fail" and bailed out after fucking up completely, this really cemented the idea that the system is rigged in people's minds. Hence we get the protests.
At their cores, the OWS people are actually fairly well aligned with the Tea Party. The key difference being that the OWS people think the banks are shits for getting the government to bail them out, and the Tea Party think the government are shits for giving the banks a bailout. There's a bunch of other differences of course, but they're all either superficial, or things that were tacked on by hijackers. The Tea Party has been hijacked completely, and it won't be long before OWS suffers a similar fate.
10/14/2011 7:18am, #20
I've been debating this with a few friends since yesterday. My initial gripe was the lack of a message the protesters had. The majority were there basically saying, "I have no job, and Bankers have millions of dollars, it's not fair!" Instead of explaining WHY (as Battlefields has been querying) it's not fair, they were essentially pissing and moaning without any real message or goal, which quite frankly is embarrassing and a waste of time.
Anyways, It seems over the last few weeks they've narrowed their gripes in speeches, and have set out distinct goals, the most major of which would be ending the Federal Reserve, which is in a nutshell a fraudulent pseudo-government entity in the form of a bank that chooses when and when not to print money at its leisure.
The other is tightening the lending fraud that banks have been privy to since well..the dawn of banks, which allows them to lend 9 times the amount of money they bank (while paying what? A 2% interest rate at most for those who house their money with them?) These types of lending practices flood the market with imaginary fiat money, and the government sanctioning of it, while can be argued to have led to the economic boon of the 70's to the 90s, also has been the root of it's subsequent bust as inevitably there will be people not getting paid when the money is in fantasy land.Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
...Willing is not enough you must do ~Bruce Lee