Thread: Ki Aikido Hippies
10/14/2011 5:27am, #21
10/14/2011 6:49am, #22
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The leg injury is a definite possiblity, but it doesn't come from the reaping. The problem is with psychic ukes who either fall on top of the leg before the throw or try to fall to the tori side when they're being thrown the other way. I've come close to having beginners mess cripple me more than once with this.
Some possible solutions:
throw them sofly and carefully, making sure they don't try to fall too early and they build the skills of taking just enough fall for the throw
throw them vigorously so they don't have an option to fall in the wrong direction
For the "falling the wrong direction" problem the leg reap can actually protect your leg. Look at Tissier's iriminage which is nearly a rear hip throw.
Regarding clothes-line style irimi nage: that's a no-no where I train. It doesn't exagerate the upward motion of uke's head and it can rely too much on muscling them. The vertical hand, like tenchi nage, is the prefered method, although it can be across the collarbone for consideration of uke.
I believe that ura style iriminage (the spinning around one) happens best when uke is on the cusp of reversing it, that's why their hip are coming forward and you can break them backwards. If they're not trying to neutralise the effect tori has on them by following and looking for the escape (i.e. the important part of ukemi other than how do fall) irimi-nage is supurfluous, you can keep them broken forward and mash them into the ground or clinch and knee (but that's not the done thing in aikido).
10/14/2011 7:29am, #23
That's where we are with 'you-tube' Aikido. Tori does big, long, complex forms. Uke follows along and flies.
EDIT: A lot could be helped by teaching techniques in pairs every time. Form and Counter.
1. We do the form,
2. We do the counter
3. We do the form while uke ACTUALLY tries to counter
Then move on to the next technique. No techniques in isolation.
I may implement that starting immediatly!
Last edited by Ignorami; 10/14/2011 7:33am at .
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10/14/2011 9:57am, #24
10/14/2011 12:12pm, #25
10/14/2011 12:44pm, #26
Just to add, anyone bending forward as seen in the image, without me intending that to happen would be driven to the floor face first, not collected back-up (which is what would happen in the image after the picture was taken)"To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
10/14/2011 12:49pm, #27
Here's a little better look.
"To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
10/14/2011 12:57pm, #28
A friend of mine teaches it a lot like that, his logic is when uke is trying to stand up again is a great time to help him on his way up and over.
10/14/2011 1:07pm, #29
I've pulled off Irimi nage when I was in the prison service, it looked nothing like a dojo technique and the guy I applied it on... He spent a week or so in hospital with compression of the spine. He didn't like me very much after that.. Well less than he did before anyway LOL"To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
10/14/2011 1:10pm, #30