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  1. iopyud is offline

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    10/12/2011 9:02am


     Style: MT/Ex-Judo NO SPRAWL?!

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    Long range hook

    Hi.

    How DO you throw a long range hook that hits the side of the jaw with your fist without gloves.

    This thing never really bothered me until I saw Mike Zambidis.

    1:18 and again at 3:30



    Zambidis throws this long range hook and apparently boxers do too (often hitting the other guy's back).

    I'm talking about the hook that hits with your "2nd knuckles" and it's done with a slapping motion.

    I tried it on the heavy bag bare knuckle, and I felt awkward stress on my wrist, I'd like to know how this technique translates into bare knuckle situations.

    Is it a glove only punch?
    Will I break my fingers?

    I currently use a round punch/weird long range hook, palm AWAY from me, first two knuckles are the point of contact with my wrist bent upwards to me a little.
    I believe it's called a Russian hook?

    Is THIS a good punch?

    With this on the heavy bag, I feel stress on the middle part of my fore arm.

    I would rather use the bottom part of my palm, but we train with gloves so I'll punch.

    TL/DR how do I throw a long range hook without breaking something that's part of my body. No palm strikes.
    Last edited by iopyud; 10/12/2011 9:06am at .
  2. blackmonk is online now
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    Posted On:
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    IMHO, those "slapping" hooks only work with a huge glove and wraps on. It definitely works a little differently with 4-7oz gloves or bare-fisted. I don't think they're useless, but you just can't throw them with the same abandon. Zambidis, however, also trains to throw these 23658 times a minute... Just watch his training videos. So he may be an exception, and I'm just a *****.

    The Russian Hook you're talking about is also called the Casting Punch. I use those periodically during sparring with a good degree of success. They're really powerful, and if you throw them with your front hand (like a jab variation), they set up your power shots from the cross rather well.
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    slap.


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    Hit the makiwara until you can break faces with any part of your hand?
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    It says you do MT. Why don't you just ask your coach? He probably knows more about it than most of us, and he can actually demonstrate it and correct you in person.
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    10/14/2011 8:01am


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    @blackmonk, thanks man. I guess I'll just stick to the classic 90deg hook or the casting punch if I can't reach.

    @Mannetosn, he told me to just do the casting punch/russian hook/inverted fist strike/"the weird arm swing punch."

    Wish we used MMA gloves so I can slap people.
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    The smart answer would be to get in range if you want to throw hooks.

    Without gloves, long range 'thumbs up' hooks don't tend to injure you, but they will probably result in your finger knuckles getting 'skinned' if you throw them on a bag.

    The 'casting' punch is an ok variation, but a hard jab will almost always be stronger and more direct.

    Besides, you do MT; on average their boxing is appalling. Just go to a boxing gym until you learn to double jab and you'll cause people all sorts of troubles without resorting to swinging at long range.
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    Posted On:
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    I throw a long left hook a fair amount; it comes out like an off-center jab, and then twists in at the end of the punch. It doesn't hit as hard as a traditional hook, but it can be sneaky. I usually throw it as a follow up from a straight left, as a variant to the double jab.
    I like it a lot against southpaws who are shorter than me, and I'll kind of spam it along with outside leg kicks and traditional jabs while circling outside their lead hand.
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    Mickey : Ah yes, I've been shadow boxing and learning the double jab since I'm on a break, I'll try that. I did try the "second knuckle slap hook" on the heavy bag, I can see it skinning my hand but I felt strange stress on my wrist, I'll probably just review it again.



    MightClaw : Yes, I know that type of hook, I don't know if it's my height or anything but I seem to suck hard at it. It's prolly one of those techniques that's "not for me".

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