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  2. 9chambers

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    BJJob,

    Okay, you are new and you haven't read many of my posts so I won't call you any names yet. First off, I should explain that I'm not a fan of point-sparring or the side-guard used (almost exclusively) by TKD stylists. I've been cross-training since the early 80s, long before there was a UFC. I was a wrestler in high school but my college didn't have a program. (It sucks rocks that they cut it because the legendary Bruce Bahmgardner wrestled there in college) I have been a fan of MMA for years. I'm not the enemy. Relax there cowboy.

    I just had a mean spin kick in Jr. High. That's all. I liked it. Now I use a rear leg sidekick that whips out like a MT round kick instead of it because you don't have to turn your back on the enemy.

    I never liked spinning hooks or the back kick at all but with the spinning side you didn't end up facing the other way for more than a half a second. If you connect the spinning hook kick it sends you back the other way so your back is facing the enemy. The back kick .. dude, you can't even see the enemy sometimes. I hate that. But the side wasn't too bad. It had a lot of velocity too. I like fast things.

    Set it up with a good punch combo and it can be a decent finisher. In general it sucks as a lead attack .. which is how most idiots use it. But at the end of a combo its not a bad way to attack the abdoman. I haven't used it much in the last 10 years .. my "cross stamp" as I call it is just too reliable of a replacement for it. I'll have to dust the spin kick off and bust it out again now that you mentioned it.

    >spinning side jump kick? That's well within
    >the realm of complete faggotry.

    I am not talking about flying across the room. I am talking about a low kick during which you lift your weight off of your base leg so that its easy to spin. All rear leg Muay Thai kicks use a whip that does the same exact thing. Your foot is still gliding on the ground but your weight is airborne and hurling into the other guy behind your kicking leg. Its letting your weight float instead of being planted. This all happens in a split second. Its why Muay Thai kicks are so fast and not telegraphed.

    A slight jump or hop as you spin makes the spinning sidekick 100% faster because you aren't pivoting on a planted leg. Also, since your leg isn't planted then if he counters you will just be shoved backward with your legs still under you instead of being knocked over or injured. You can step with your base leg because it isn't planted in an awkward pivot like during most TKD kicks. I liked the jump and spin action as a kid. It was fun and I was fast enough to pull it off. Its too risky to rely on but if you know you can get it in on a guy who you just blasted three times in the face then go for it. It can do some damage.

    >Leaving your feet intentionally is a good
    >way to get your head busted open, unless the
    >director yells "cut" to save your ass since
    >that kick would work only in a movie. If you
    >think otherwise, you're a homoron.

    Like I said, I wasn't talking about flying across the room. In wrestling, when you shoot you step with your front leg and slide the back leg along. For a lunging cross in boxing you slide forward on your front step and drag the back leg along. In a lot of other boxing punches both legs step at once. Muay Thai round kicks whip in off a base leg that almost always takes a little hop or step instead of a pivot. Most defensive parries have you stepping. Both of your feet leave the ground for a moment. You slide, float or glide along the ground. you float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. This is common in fighting. It isn't going to "get your head busted open" .. its good form.

    Its the same concept with the spin kick - you let your weight float as you spin. Maybe I should have said whip instead of jump. I never meant for you to think I was talking about a flying jump kick from across the room.

    Anyway, if you want to see what I think about point sparring then go here: http://www.mcdojo.com/article_read.asp?id=73


    Edited by - 9chambers on November 25 2002 06:13:56
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    MT round kicks do NOT have a hop in the base leg, it is 100% a pivot.

    And if you get hit while your weight is in the air, you will not be pushed back with your feet under you, you will lose your balance and be knocked over. Only with a good base can you absorb a hit.

    There's a big difference between sliding your foot along the ground, ala shoot-in, and slightly jumping. When your sliding, the foot that is sliding has almost no weight on it, because the weight is on the front foot. When you're jumping, there is neither any weight on the kicking foot (obviously), and no weight on the jumping leg, which is off the ground. Your center of gravity is in the air, and will be fucked royally.



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    Edited by - I Give BJJs on November 25 2002 06:45:57
  4. 9chambers

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    >MT round kicks do NOT have a hop in the base
    >leg, it is 100% a pivot.

    You don't have a clue how to do them then. TKD round kicks are pivot generated. MT kicks whip out from the hip using the rotation for torque. The pivot is pretty much an afterthought or a landing. A lot of guys even step instead of pivoting. It is usually a half pivot at best anyway and commonly a quarter pivot or less. The reason for that is the front guard stance MT fighters use to keep all of their limbs available for attack and defense. Try doing a full pivot from a front guard MT stance or a boxing stance.

    Listen, you know a lot less about this than me junior. Go do some research before you embarrass yourself.

    >And if you get hit while your weight is in
    >the air, you will not be pushed back with
    >your feet under you, you will lose your
    >balance and be knocked over. Only with a
    >good base can you absorb a hit.

    Explain sprawling then. Why is it when a wrestler lifts his legs off the ground and shoots them out behind him on impact that he doesn't get knocked over? Why is it when he stands up and pushes the shooter's shoulders while letting his legs glide back under him (in a relatively upright position) that he maintains stability?

    Why is it that when he has his legs planted he gets knocked on his ass?

    The whole reason wrestlers stay on the balls of their feet (as opposed to their heels) is so they can maintain a high degree of mobility. Their "strong base" comes from a low center of gravity and not keeping their feet planted. Keep your waist low, your knees bent and keep your feet behind your knees. Stay on the balls of your feet. Stay crouched. Never put your weight on just one leg.

    It is the same concept as sprawling except instead of shooting your lower body back you are pushing off of him with it. Your base leg will end up farther back than it was. If you don't jump then you are making it a long range kick. Why spin back and push kick when you can do the same thing with a regular side? Get close, punch him, give his chest a shove and throw a low jump and spin and you've got him on the ground trying to breathe. You don't have to get that leg extended in a full push. Just the smack of the impact is enough to knock the wind out of him.

    As for taking a punch. Everyone knows that you take more damage if you are planted than if you are moving. Its called rolling with the punches.

    >There's a big difference between sliding your
    >foot along the ground, ala shoot-in, and
    >slightly jumping. When your sliding, the foot
    >that is sliding has almost no weight on it,
    >because the weight is on the front foot.

    A little of it. Mostly when your front leg hits the ground your weight is floating behind it about where your butt is and your back leg is sliding behind you to keep it back there and not over your front leg. You initially push off of your back leg, keeping your back straight and verticle. You don't put much weight over your front leg or you could get toppled over, pancaked or injured. If you do end up needing to put your weight that far forward then you go down on your knee and step in with your other foot. Never spread your legs too far apart.

    >When you're jumping, there is neither any
    >weight on the kicking foot (obviously), and
    >no weight on the jumping leg, which is off
    >the ground. Your center of gravity is in the
    >air, and will be fucked royally.

    Your center of gravity is under you. On impact you will float backwards. Your legs will still be under you wherever you land. You don't need weight behind your kick because its the velocity and impact that cause the sting. Its not a push kick. Targets like the groin, liver, unflexed stomach and low abdoman don't require a lot of push.

    This has worked for me more times than I can count. Maybe you just don't have a lot of balance or coordination or maybe you are really slow or something. Maybe you've never tried it. Its pretty sad to see a BJJ fan going on theory.

    I don't recommend you ever even do the spin kick. Don't even worry about it. You don't sound talented enough to pull it off. Stick to grappling and learn some boxing. You'll be fine. You need to get a better MT instructor though. That would help.

    Relax cowboy. Its just the Internet. :P



    Edited by - 9chambers on November 25 2002 10:21:08
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    "You have learned a few set, unresponsive techiniques. You don't know how to flow from range to range (and if you dismiss grappling...blah blah blah"

    I never dismissed grappling- stop putting words into other peoples mouths.

    You are a warrior my arse.

    Cant throw a good punch or kick- how can you say that an art which focuses entirely on kicks and punches will not make the practitioner powerful- ive seen black belts in my school do some incredible things. I might as well say that BJJs will not make a firm armlock even though they practice them constantly.

    You sound like a prick.
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    Well put Dngr.

    "maybe 1 foot of the ground and attack is always inatied before the jump. so the attack itself last totaly for about 1 second "

    TKD Z, I understand where you are going with this but the problem is that jumping kicks do not have a lot of stopping power. Why? Because you are not rooted to the ground. Simple physics will show you that while you are in the air your motion is up and you leg is kicking out. Now you have your body displaying 2 seperate vectors.

    This is also shows that you will will not have as much power because it is being displaced in two different directions. You need to time this technique as well as set it up for it to have any type of effect on the opponent. In the scheme of things sticking with your basics, is your best bet.

    By the way TKD Z..I'm speaking from experience I am not a TKD basher but TKD participant. :)

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    9chambers, you're an idiot, take from a thai-boxer/wrestler/BJJer.

    When you sprawl your weight is on your oppenents shoulders, not flying through the air.

    The hip torque in the MT round kick has nothing to do with a hop, the base foot is still pivoting ON THE GROUND.

    You said yourself to keep your weight on the balls of your feet, that is not in the air, so your whole theory is shot, sorry man, you know nothing.

    "float through the air" HAHAHA, kinda like the fairy that you are?
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    You sound like a prick.
    That's "bitch", dear.

    You have learned a few set, unresponsive techiniques. You don't know how to flow from range to range (and if you dismiss grappling...blah blah blah"

    I never dismissed grappling- stop putting words into other peoples mouths.
    Actually, I said "if" quite clearly. And your exact words were:

    so who gives a **** about grappling
    which sounds quite dismissive to me, actually.

    You are a warrior my arse.
    I'm sure I'm a much better fighter than your arse.

    Cant throw a good punch or kick- how can you say that an art which focuses entirely on kicks and punches will not make the practitioner powerful
    Because I took the art for five years, competed in several tournaments and saw the level of skill and ability. It, basically, SUCKED.

    ive seen black belts in my school do some incredible things.
    So have I -- in nice, safe, pre-set conditions. Might as well be impressed with how Keanu Reeves can dodge bullets.

    I might as well say that BJJs will not make a firm armlock even though they practice them constantly.
    Well, yes, that is what you DID say ... umm, your point? See below.

    Original post:
    I hear you all say but how many of these arm locks that you spend all your BJJ time doing have you broken someones arm with. Maybe a couple, probably none- say that ' I know that it works' but i know that if I front kicked someone in the solar plexis they would go down like a sack of ****.
    The solar plexis kick only works if you land it. Yes, kicks are powerful and useful tools. But the odds of you ending a fight with a single kick? It's good that this is "just your hobby" because you aren't learning to fight. You're learning to look pretty doing forms and yell "KIAI".

    And for the record, I have seen bones broken BY ACCIDENT in BJJ class using those arm locks just a tiny fraction too far. Yes, the work.

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    Edited by - JKDChick on November 25 2002 17:26:29
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