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  1. November is offline

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I think the basic problem is people expecting different things out of Judo.

    The original concept was basically a form of self-defense using whatever could be trained all-out without injuring an intelligent partner too often. IIRC there's even evidence that Kano tried working in striking but decided that you couldn't practice it in a realistic manner. If you are working from this concept then takedowns and heel hooks and whatever else should be allowed.

    Modern Judo tends to emphasize what Judo is actually good at compared to wrestling, bjj etc, which is the throws. This gets exacerbated in the competitive side where the rules committee makes rules that promote the throw and the competitors isolate their training to focus on the rules. This isn't necessarily a problem, though, because Judo throws are actually really awesome and you won't see them being trained in other forms of grappling because they tend to be lower percentage for the effort you have to put into training.

    I personally don't see the point in bitching about Judo because it has a cool thing that it does and if you want fewer restrictions there are other formats you can train and compete in.
  2. November is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp View Post
    You, "Going to the ground on your back might not be the best choice in a barfight."

    Me, "Gee, you figure?"
    One thing a lot of people forget is that counter-grappling is still grappling. If someone is going to football-tackle you you need the skills to either not get taken down, stand back up or break the other person quickly.
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    ...shin kick to knee joint, elbow to face, grab and judo throw, then side kick the head into the concrete floor...judo can add to a life saver's "bag of tools."

    for those that want to play MMA, then judo's a useful element to cross train with.

    learn from cross training (boxing, bjj/judo, muay thai, aikido, etc), but compete in MMA, for the most well rounded truth in fight sports.

    now back away from your keyboard and clean your rifle.
    Last edited by charlie echo; 10/31/2011 10:16am at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie echo View Post

    now back away from your keyboard and clean your rifle.
    What does wanking have to do with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doofaloofa View Post
    What is a rube?
    It's like a pidgeon, often a mark, right off the turnip truck. Can you dig it?
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Same thing as a maroon.
    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    It's like a pidgeon, often a mark, right off the turnip truck. Can you dig it?
    All I know is, when someone as sensible as BKR starts to quote Bugs Bunny, the thread is doomed
  7. charlie echo is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbirdseye View Post
    What does wanking have to do with it?
    I meant, literally, a rifle, such as a rifle loaded with 7.62x51mm NATO cartridges.

    And perhaps that martial arts is for when you're out of bullets (or other weapons) primarily and prize fighting games are secondary.

    Have a good one.
    Last edited by charlie echo; 11/01/2011 12:49am at .
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