Groin Strikes, eye gouges, and other maiming techniques in self defense

**gregaquaman** · Posted On: 9/30/2011 12:39am

Originally Posted by danno

nice, so you're kinda doing this with a squirrel grip to help things along:

i really agree on the grab vs strike thing.

if someone bites me i'm going to try it.

Yeah exactly like that vid.

works well when somone play bites you as well. (Does this just happen to me?)

I was thinking this is exactly the same method I use when I grapple anyway because when we grapple we also grind people. MMA seems to encourage that sort of explosive no respect style.

A mate of mine was mentioning that he had done a ripper style of catch wrestling once that also has that mentality.

http://junfanjkdengland.tripod.com/catch/id9.html

**RynoGreene** · Posted On: 9/30/2011 11:39am

Originally Posted by danno

if you have a good mount and you can use a collar choke without getting reversed, you should be able to eye gouge from there pretty safely. you'll generally be doing it with one hand, not both. S-mount is good too.

thanks for sacrificing your bro in the name of science.

Yah, that's pretty much it. You can do whatever you like if you can positionally dominate your opponent. (Haven't I heard that somewhere before?).

And I'm happy to sacrifice my brother for you guys any time. Especially when he's drinking and shooting off his mouth. After 36 years, you'd think he'd grow up a little bit, but alas...

**Lonestar** · Posted On: 9/30/2011 9:30pm

This topic reminds me of what my catch/mma coach says. "Legal moves are some of the most dangerous moves." Especially since those are the moves you are training everyday. In self defense situation, no matter how deadly, my first instinct will be to go the moves I've trained for years everyday. Just round kick or hook punch the guy in the head and knock him out. My punches and kicks are more trustworthy to me than my groin kicks and finger stabs to the throat or whatever else d34d1y moves I have.

**dwkfym** · Posted On: 10/03/2011 12:16pm

Based on my limited experience from when someone i knew tried to eye gouge me when I had dominant position (he might havej ust been trying to say "hey I can do this to you" and not intended to really gouge) its really easy to fend off such a piss-weak attack and gouge him back, when you have dominant position. If you are a dominant position but awkward position to do that from, problem is easily solved by moving to a position where you can.

**RurikGreenwulf** · Posted On: 10/03/2011 12:51pm

I only disagree a little in the part of the groin strikes, I have seen a lot of people in my dojo accidentally getting kicked in the groin and I have got a few myself and I believe its truly a pain that can put totally out of combat a normal person

**Kintanon** · Posted On: 10/03/2011 1:54pm

Originally Posted by RurikGreenwulf

I only disagree a little in the part of the groin strikes, I have seen a lot of people in my dojo accidentally getting kicked in the groin and I have got a few myself and I believe its truly a pain that can put totally out of combat a normal person

The response to groin strikes under stress is so incredibly varied that it's not safe to rely on it as a fight ending technique alone. Especially to the detriment of training other techniques.

**danno** · Posted On: 10/03/2011 8:04pm

good answer kintanon. keep it in your toolbox, don't make it your only tool.

**dwkfym** · Posted On: 10/04/2011 2:21am

Originally Posted by RurikGreenwulf

I only disagree a little in the part of the groin strikes, I have seen a lot of people in my dojo accidentally getting kicked in the groin and I have got a few myself and I believe its truly a pain that can put totally out of combat a normal person

I've had my share of groin kicks, but you can grit your teeth through a lot of them. Really. They aren't like liver shots where you'll drop no matter what.

**Super8astard** · Posted On: 10/04/2011 1:37pm

I've found the only time groin strikes are effective are in a controled environment. When you're sparring in class and get balled, some people laugh, someone appologizes, and you eventually get back to sparring. In a real fight, getting balled is more likely to piss one off and esculate the fight, over make him cry or quit because of how mean you were.

**RurikGreenwulf** · Posted On: 10/05/2011 5:56pm

Originally Posted by Kintanon

The response to groin strikes under stress is so incredibly varied that it's not safe to rely on it as a fight ending technique alone. Especially to the detriment of training other techniques.

Really good answer indeed, but I still belive that a good kick or knee can end most of fights
also I dont think that it must be trained as a technique just when in a fight aim lower the knee and kicks