UFC LIVE 6: Cruz vs. Johnson - Oct. 1, 2011

**Kintanon** · Posted On: 10/04/2011 1:07pm

The people who thought that was a boring fight seem to be implying that they only like one sided beatdowns, or slugfests between two guys with iron chins.

I'd like everyone that thought the Cruz v Johnson fight was boring to post a link to what their ideal exciting fight looks like.

**alex** · Posted On: 10/04/2011 1:55pm

no i just like a fight where i havent predicted the outcome after 1 round.

different strokes man, me and bastard already said why we feel it was boring. you can feel however the **** you want, it wont change some peoples opinions. thats the pointlessness of debate not based solely around logic.

**Super8astard** · Posted On: 10/04/2011 1:57pm

Originally Posted by Kintanon

The people who thought that was a boring fight seem to be implying that they only like one sided beatdowns, or slugfests between two guys with iron chins.

I'd like everyone that thought the Cruz v Johnson fight was boring to post a link to what their ideal exciting fight looks like.

No, I just don't like caution or flailing. Between Johnson throwing just to throw and Cruz' avoidance, it wasn't a thrilling fight. Like I said, not the worst I've seen by any means, but I won't be reminising about it either.

**Conde Koma** · Posted On: 10/04/2011 3:10pm

Originally Posted by Alex

thats the pointlessness of debate not based solely around logic.

it seems that way, pretty much.

**greatheight** · Posted On: 10/04/2011 4:46pm

Originally Posted by Alex

no i just like a fight where i havent predicted the outcome after 1 round.

different strokes man, me and bastard already said why we feel it was boring. you can feel however the **** you want, it wont change some peoples opinions. thats the pointlessness of debate not based solely around logic.

there can be a point to it - it is possible to change someones opinion of something, highlighting different ways of looking at the issue etc.

Its just that people are stubborn fucks.... especially on the internetz.

I really liked the fight, and the card in general. Very impressed with Cruz.

**ADM** · Posted On: 10/04/2011 8:46pm

I think Chael said it best, no one wants to watch someone doing something good for 5 rounds. 3 rounds, sure. But not 5 rounds.

***Tranquil Suit*** · Posted On: 10/04/2011 8:50pm

Originally Posted by ADM

I think Chael said it best, no one wants to watch someone doing something good for 5 rounds. 3 rounds, sure. But not 5 rounds.

Oh really now? What about 4 rounds? How about 4.5?

That whole statement sounds pretty arbitrary to me.

Oh and hey, how many rounds does boxing have?

**1point2** · Posted On: 10/04/2011 9:26pm

Originally Posted by ADM

I think Chael said it best, no one wants to watch someone doing something good for 5 rounds. 3 rounds, sure. But not 5 rounds.

They want to watch someone doing something good for 4 and a half rounds, at which point their opponent hits a triangle-armbar and keeps the middleweight championship.

**ADM** · Posted On: 10/05/2011 7:13am

Originally Posted by Tranquil Suit

Oh really now? What about 4 rounds? How about 4.5?

That whole statement sounds pretty arbitrary to me.

Oh and hey, how many rounds does boxing have?

Wow way to be a dickhead and jump down my throat Sir.

I know lets take everything here 100% literally and pick it apart! That makes for good conversation!

***Tranquil Suit*** · Posted On: 10/05/2011 10:34am

Originally Posted by ADM

Wow way to be a dickhead and jump down my throat Sir.

I know lets take everything here 100% literally and pick it apart! That makes for good conversation!

The point of Chael's statement was a rebuttal to the fact that (GSP is boring) people expect a finish more so in 5 rounds than in 3. And will complain if a championship fight leads to a decision.

But the real issue is that in 5 rounds, a fighter has time to settle and his patterns and body language is more showing than in 3. That is, it's more obvious if he's aiming for a decision win or a finish win (It's not one or the other, it's to a degree). That's what made the difference between say Edgar-Maynard(2) and GSP-Shields.

And don't tell me about pacing for 5 rounds being the problem, if you can't do that than maybe you shouldn't be fighting for a world classs title. And again, boxing has 12x3 (had 15x3).

P.S. Aren't you the sensitive type?