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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Weight back hands on floating ribs is fine. I just was confused by your original post and thought you were talking about your own guard.

    If he is standing straight up on his knees hop up to your knees and work. There is no reason to keep yourself on the ground and try to pull him down. I'd open my guard and get higher so I can get better grips. Still though work on your wrist control if you are grabbing the wrist in the right spot (just behind the hand) sweat shouldn't make that much difference.
    Stand up was one of the main themes of our last weekend. Again our gym is mostly strikers so if their was any space whatsoever in the guard we were told to fight to our feet and bang.

    I know you are a shitload better than me but I thought I would mention this as sang is a striker and I believe he has MMA in his sights.

    For us as I have mentioned we do standup, knees guard as prefered option.
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    I should be able to find some video of guys doing this in shootboxing context.(not me. Somone good)
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    I used two of the above things today on this guy, worked perfectly. One was an explosive knee standup that took us straight to side control and the other was skippy's basics on sucking the hip in right when he comes off his heels. The wrist was still uncontrollable, I think i need to work on this some more.

    Gregaquaman:

    Thanks but theres no rush. I intend to go the double specialisation route and be as good on the ground as striking. Heaps of ex-muay thai guys here make the mistake of rushing into MMA without building a strong grappling base and get choked out by some nobody with a good game plan.

    In regards to your wall post, that sounds good :). I'm pretty happy with this gym but I'm keen to try others too before i get locked down in one by loyalty. I'm actually tossing up between this place (best wrestling gym in town with the benefit of 1 day of good striking) and just switching to straight BJJ with Mr.Miyagi.
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    No dramas. Here is an example of the stand up methodology that I am trying to explain badly.
    http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/vid...=2268252099495

    It is not so much avoiding a grapple as trying to win the scramble.

    Anyway I am interested to see if I am going down the right path myself I don't want to derail your thread turning an explanation into some sort of defensive rant.
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    Don't worry about derail, the original question has been answered.

    Interesting video, is that Rob from sunshine coast IMA?
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    Don't worry about derail, the original question has been answered.

    Interesting video, is that Rob from sunshine coast IMA?
    yeah.
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    After talking with gregaquaman in pm I'm pretty sure he was trying to recommend the same gym I'm at :P.

    If no one minds I'll start using this thread for all my noob questions, you'd be surprised just how much i get out of talking things over on here. My kicks are literally twice as strong after Whitesharks posts on leg kicks, and Kidspatula's on the clinch are still showing dividends.

    What is the proper arm positioning (or body?) to stop myself being anaconda choked when we scramble to our knees and i have my opponent on top of me with one arm and head cinched? With the vast majority of guys I'm successfully using a sit-out variation to get out of this poisition, but my regular training partner catches me with an anaconda here every.. single.. time.
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    That is a bad position to be in if he already has one head and arm from the top. It is almost too late but there are still a few things you can do. One really frustrating thing I do once the choke is that deep is post my arm that is in the choke on the mat and lean my head down away from my own shoulder. By using the mat you can sometimes make the guy on top gas his arms out. He will never be able to drive your shoulder down enough if you are framed against the mat. Obviously this won't always work but it is my last ditch defense to most arm triangles.
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    Thanks, I'll try that Monday.

    I've been using this after the roll, but I'm finding while it saves me from the choke the neck crank still goes on,:

    http://www.aesopian.com/126/simple-a...-choke-escape/
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    Worked like a charm, it frustrated him enough to give it up and go for a back take.

    Are submissions out of the triangle position worth working on? The omoplata and armbar are rather mainstream but is the figure four lock on their arm (which i get on other noobs) a beginner gimmick or something worth developing?
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    You need to more explicitly state your position and your opponents position. I often have to read your grappling posts a couple of times to figure out what you're talking about.

    Are you asking if there are a lot of subs besides the triangle once you have someone in position for your triangle but you can't complete it? If so look up Rigan Machado's The Triangle.
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