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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabetuno View Post
    Call. 14-15 years of wrasslin' informs my BJJ... jesus I feel old.
    4 years of Judo and a black belt in 16 months, trumps all your wrasslin' creds.

    Nigga don't be trippin' an' thinkin' yo can hang with da mandem.
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    Because any asshole that picks a fight with me doesn't deserve my hugs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ke?poFist View Post
    If I would be allowed to grapple I could beat any of those guys
    when can we expect your match against "the Spider"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ke?poFist View Post
    Typical Bullshido! Make lots of funny comments and ignore the crux of the issue you're all afraid to face! You know I'm right :P
    Read my comment again! Where is it funny?

    You forget that a lot of people train who post on this site, so in theory we can get close to a striker to subdue him.

    Yet in the real world, Martial Arts/Combat Sports just have a very small fraction of the sportmarket. in percentage a lot more people do Football, Soccer, Baseball, Basketball, Cycling, Hockey, etc...than Combat Sports.

    Most of the time it are these people that start a "str33tf1ght" compared to Combat Sporters.
    The reason is that when you fight between two and ten hours a week in the club, you just want to have a good time when you go out.

    The majority of untrained fighters (a.k.a. drunken idiots) want to start a slugfest, one or two strikes of a trained person stops such persons, so why would you wait to neutralize such a person till he is at the clinching distance when you can get the job done at striking distance?
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    You know you are crazy about BJJ/Martial arts when...
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    ...your books on Kama Sutra and BJJ are interchangeable.
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    It looks like this is a great fighting method if someone replaces your shampoo with superglue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs View Post
    Read my comment again! Where is it funny?

    You forget that a lot of people train who post on this site, so in theory we can get close to a striker to subdue him.

    Yet in the real world, Martial Arts/Combat Sports just have a very small fraction of the sportmarket. in percentage a lot more people do Football, Soccer, Baseball, Basketball, Cycling, Hockey, etc...than Combat Sports.

    Most of the time it are these people that start a "str33tf1ght" compared to Combat Sporters.
    The reason is that when you fight between two and ten hours a week in the club, you just want to have a good time when you go out.

    The majority of untrained fighters (a.k.a. drunken idiots) want to start a slugfest, one or two strikes of a trained person stops such persons, so why would you wait to neutralize such a person till he is at the clinching distance when you can get the job done at striking distance?
    So you agree with me then? In a real fight it's much easier to clinch and own someone, rather than risking a slugfest?

    At least someone here has some common sense :P
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  6. Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs is offline
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    I just kick them in the balls whilest wearing combat boots.

    I'm an advocate of fighting distances:
    distance 1: kick them in the balls
    distance 2: poke them in the eye
    distance 3: purple nurples
    distance 4: teabag them
    Control: tie their shoelaces together
    Victory!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jiujitsu77
    You know you are crazy about BJJ/Martial arts when...
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    ...your books on Kama Sutra and BJJ are interchangeable.
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    It looks like this is a great fighting method if someone replaces your shampoo with superglue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ke?poFist View Post
    Don't get me wrong, striking of course is a necessary part of fighting, but all this focus on the striking range of fighting just seems excessive considering the realities of combat. All you need to do to nullify a striker is cover up, close the distance and grab him.
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    If you're serious : A good example that spring to mind would be Brock Lesnar's recent loss to Velasquez or keepin' it old school either of the Chuck Liddel vs Tito Ortiz fights.

    Tito thought he could just cover up, close the distance and put the habeus grabus on Chuck.... In fact a lot of Chuck's opponents thought that might work back in the day. They all got KTFO'd in varying degrees. Why ? Because if you don't train in striking at all chances are you don't know **** all how to cover up to begin with. The rest of your plan kind of depends on that working.

    This seems to be the very rare doppelganger to the pure striker's theory of "I don't want the fight to go to the ground therefor it won't"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs View Post
    The majority of untrained fighters (a.k.a. drunken idiots) want to start a slugfest, one or two strikes of a trained person stops such persons, so why would you wait to neutralize such a person till he is at the clinching distance when you can get the job done at striking distance?
    I can't see that he's agreeing with Ke?poFist. Perhaps the humor is too deep for me. Even The Wastrel admitted that he ended his last (at that time, long ago) sd encounter with a side kick.

    And I'd add to Rene's list, "Your zippers down," and "There's your mother."
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    Grappling is remarkably mainstream and usually provides competant training, whereas the same level of sophistication in striking is not quite so widespread. By virtue of that alone, perhaps the striking we see in pro competition just tends to pale in comparison. I do notice that in Kudo competitions there is a great deal more time spent striking than grappling. I couldn't say for sure why that is; the rules seem to allow shorter time windows for newaza, and maybe the Karate influence tends to overshadow Judo's. However, it also could suggest that when both parties have comparable training in both striking and grappling it's easier to win striking/harder to win grappling.
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    You train in Kaj and ask why people train to strike?

    Check out the video at around 35:20. Yeah the guy he is sparring is huge, but I believe his strike and training in striking is what got him out of grappling with a guy who may have an edge on the ground!
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