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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw View Post
    Do you, by chance, have advice for throwing with uchimata without the gi?
    Achieve competency in the fundamentals with the gi. Then get the underhook and chuck 'em.

    If you have solid fundamentals then the close contact situation of no gi gripping makes it all quite simple.
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    Immammura Sensei says that the tsurite is in fact, NOT useless. It's actually incredibly helpful. Lift and pull for ultimate Uchimata.
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    Can we get a bit more detail on what the reaping/sweeping leg is doing? In the "leggy" video it's showing what I think of as uchimata, but in the "hippy" video it's a little less clear. It looks more like hane goshi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbirdseye View Post
    Can we get a bit more detail on what the reaping/sweeping leg is doing? In the "leggy" video it's showing what I think of as uchimata, but in the "hippy" video it's a little less clear. It looks more like hane goshi?
    Its not Hane goshi, this is a common problem when people see 'hippy' Uchi matas. The key difference is the throwing action is effected by the sweeping up of the leg, not a 'springing' of the hip. This is quite clear if you review the 'hippy' video and try and see a distinctive 'spring' action from the hip.

    The main difference is that in a 'hippy' uchi mata uke is loaded onto the hip and then the sweeping leg, literally runs up the 'far' leg's inner thigh to effect the throw.

    In the 'leggy' version you notice that the leg sweeps up into the groin and the inner thigh with which contact is made is that of the 'near' leg.

    Note in a right on right situation. uke's left leg is considered the near and uke's right the far.

    Personally in randori I tend to throw with leggy ken ken versions, because frankly. they're easier for low skilled spuds like me to get.

    I have only thrown 2 'perfect', i.e effortless, Uchi matas and they were both a clean sweep up the 'far' leg.

    As I said before if you get the foot work, hand action and body contact right it actually doesn't matter whether you do a hippy or leggy Uchi mata they will go over, fairly neatly.
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    Ah gotcha, thanks for the clarification.
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    No wucas.

    Feel free to ask any further questions, no matter how simplistic or stupid.

    This applies to anyone else reading this as well as the Captain.
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    Just to add to this, we (my students and my school) use this all the time, and land it in the cage regularly. It is awesomeness, packed into a nice throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Achieve competency in the fundamentals with the gi. Then get the underhook and chuck 'em.

    If you have solid fundamentals then the close contact situation of no gi gripping makes it all quite simple.
    Here's how Gokor does it. Note the very "leg" uchi mata.

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    Personally I wouldn't try it from a fairly loose head an arm as shown the video, for the reasons he states, you can be blocked.

    I would attempt it from a right side underhook and a left side overhook. Or from a tight head and arm wrap.

    However, I'm not really that experienced in no-gi, so tend to fall back on what worked for me in no-gi MMA sparring.
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