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  1. DdlR is offline
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    In my experience non-LARPing aliveness (fencing/sparring) and progressive resistance training are taken for granted as basic training methods in the vast majority of WMA groups.
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    I'll withdraw that comment so. I have no experience in with any formal WMA groups. I was only thinking about the LARPers and "I'm studying it myself from on-line" people I've met.
    I'd imagine that fencing would be more widely available than WMA equivilants. I only know of one place in Ireland for example for WMA sword but quite a few for fencing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR View Post
    In my experience non-LARPing aliveness (fencing/sparring) and progressive resistance training are taken for granted as basic training methods in the vast majority of WMA groups.
    The ones I've met do spar, but a lot of them lacked fundamental skills like footwork and distancing because they spent all their time learning 'moves'. To me it's crazy that someone would try and learn 'rapier' while ignoring the actual living lineage that descends from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn View Post
    The ones I've met do spar, but a lot of them lacked fundamental skills like footwork and distancing because they spent all their time learning 'moves'. To me it's crazy that someone would try and learn 'rapier' while ignoring the actual living lineage that descends from it.
    I can't think of a single Rapier fencer I know who hasn't also studied Foil (at a minimum).

    For that matter, the top names in Rapier instruction all seem to have a Master's certificate, or at least an Instructor or Coach certificate in an extant fencing lineage.

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    Keep in mind if you intend to being fencing.

    Expensive. Very expensive. very VERY expensive. Not in terms of club costs. The club that I went to for almost two years (currently on hiatus because of school) almost never collected dues. The equipment is costly, and fragile at times.

    great fun though. stick to epee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn View Post
    Playing 'tag' with swords represents the reality that getting stabbed in the chest tends to be fight ending in a way that getting punched there may well not be.
    Nah, modern sport fencing comes from first blood duels where the goal was to strike first with a cut of something like an inch that drew blood. Many of the attacks are suicidally stupid ("Why yes, I'll open up my entire body to get a chance at tapping your foot), you can't grab the other person's blade and going from a bind to a throw is frowned upon.

    It's fun and it's better than nothing in a real swordfight (it at least teaches you good footwork) but I'd pick a real warrior from the 1400s over a modern fencer in a fight.
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    I used to fence and thought it was a decent workout, but I've seen fencing groups with mostly fat long haired Ren Faire type folks who fenced regularly but looked very out of shape. If you fence with good form, its a great leg workout, but if its two Renaissance larpers who don't like to lunge because they can't recover quickly, there can also be a lack of athleticism. It depends on how you approach it.

    Regarding fencing vs sword fighting/duelling, I think the rules that put fencing on a linear strip took away the most combative elements, but the strip made it so that a whole class of paired fencers could spar at the same time, while weapon matches with circular footwork take up so much space, much fewer people could fence at once.
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    OP, I have had the opportunity to fence, mostly foil, off and on over the years and always enjoyed it immensely. Great for posture, flexibility and hand-eye coordination. Never had exposure to overweight LARPers, most of the people I trained with were actually kind of lean.

    Be sure to do lots of groin stretches, if not you will truly regret the lunge that goes too far. Looking forward to hearing how your pursuit of fencing turns out.
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    What about historical fencing? Is that any more realistic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanky279 View Post
    What about historical fencing? Is that any more realistic?
    We have plenty of threads on this forum about many different types of historical fencing. "Realism" is kind of in the eye of the beholder, though - can you be more specific about what you're asking?
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