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  1. Bang! is offline
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    ST and technique

    Does strength training have a place in good technique?

    I certainly understand how it can compensate for technical shortcomings , but am unsure as to whether it is congruent with the principles of most styles.
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    huh?

    I can see a style claiming their **** works against stronger people, but I don't know any style that says you should try to be weaker than the other guy.

    Softer != Weaker
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    That's not what I'm saying. I just mean that there are very few good techniques that I've come across that specifically require substantial strength to perform properly. That kind of approach is counter to the majority of MA theories, no?

    I'm not asking if increasing my strength will help me become a better fighter. I'm asking if it will help me become a more skilled fighter.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Power does not equal mad skills.

    "I'm asking if it will help me become a more skilled fighter."


    No. :)


    "That kind of approach is counter to the majority of MA theories, no? "
    I see martial art technqiues as techniques that maximises the usage of strength.
    So, in that way it would not be counter.
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    That's a good point, but it only applies insofar as the use of muscular strength does not impede the execution of a technique.

    Also, the size of your caber is impressive.
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    What was your question again? Er, I should get back to my paper.

    "Also, the size of your caber is impressive."
    I get that a lot.
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     Style: Wu Style TCC + BJJ

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    Basically, I've been thinking about quitting my whinin' and pumpin' some iron, as a famous IMA cock-knocker might say.

    The problem is that I've been reading through previous threads on strength training for MA and have come to the following conclusion: While there are things about ST that can help you in a general way, there don't seem to be any ST exercises that translate directly into increased martial ability. If anything, ST may impede skill development.

    So am I off in wussville, or is this a valid point?
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    C'mon, you're smarter than this.

    Here's a technique that's imprived with more strength.

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    drumroll

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    a punch to the face.

    any punch for that matter.

    or kick.

    or lock.

    or choke.

    or block.

    hell, being stronger makes you more effective AT EVERYTHING.

    "strength just slows you down" is a myth. get over it.
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    strength +technique=good
    having strength to make technique work when you need it( fight or competition) even if you don't do it perfect = good
    using strength to cover for bad technique in training and slow you from learning proper technique= bad
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     Style: Wu Style TCC + BJJ

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    When I say that strength training may impede skill development, I'm not talking about those old chestnuts about decreased speed, flexibility, etc. I just mean that it is often too tempting to not capitalize upon strength when you're trying to make a technique work. I can't even count the number of MAists I've met who can't even tell when they are forcing a technique and when they're actually relying on on pure skill.

    As idiotic as it may be, I just don't understand how being stronger means that you punch better (or kick . . . or lock, et al.) unless you're using poor technique to begin with. Being faster, yes. Having more mass, sure. Being stronger . . . help me out here.
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