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    I would spend the time you plan on using practicing to fight with the gun learning how to reload quickly, better time spent imho.
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    Thanks guys...guess I'll be practicing reloading drills then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwkfym View Post
    I was playing with a retired marine on hand to hand while one opponent has a rifle.
    Without a bayonet, a long weapon seemed to be more of a liability than anything else, even worse so if the weapon is not ready to fire.
    The grip you have on a loaded long gun is really not ideal for holding on. Meanwhile your opponent can just get a very strong grip in any part of the weapon protruding towards him and yank it away from your hands. You're in this shitty situation where you really cannot risk having your weapon taken away while your opponent has nothing to lose.
    well than he is in the shity position and you can take the weapon back :), you also (in the army at list) have a strap so its not easy to yank it away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doofaloofa View Post
    No bayonette lugs, and to get them fitted would raise a few eyebrows, to say the least!
    There is a guy in Canada who made bayonette lugs for the 870.
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    I have a breaching bezel on my Mossberg 590 that would cause horrific damage if used to stab or slash. It's nasty.

    Once any longarm is no longer operable as a firearm, it is essentially a short spear or a poorly balanced club. Use it as such until you can get it operable again or retrieve another weapon.

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    I've always wondered how useful it actually is. I'd obviously much rather have a knife over a empty shotgun (esp one with a CQB sized barrel) with a breaching bezel. But I'm thinking you'd also rather have a dedicated hand to hand weapon or another operable firearm, but I guess your point is it still maximizes the usefulness of your weapon and your survivorbility in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by erezb View Post
    well than he is in the shity position and you can take the weapon back :), you also (in the army at list) have a strap so its not easy to yank it away.
    And so beginds the endless cycle. lol. My point was, if you try to use it in hand to hand without some sort of device that makes it a bit more useful for hand to hand, you have a lot more to lose than the guy without a long weapon. Shitty situation either way.

    I hate to sound like a douche, but your sling thing is stupid. We can always create a hypothetical where your weapon wouldn't get taken away. Actually, my long arm is always attached to a power source. I can shock anyone who gets a good grip on the barrel. I also have this other device where if you grab my barrel spikes pop out of my gun, fucking up your hand.

    Also, do you think having a strap attached to a easily grab-able solid object that is wrapped around your body is helpful for hand to hand? Because it definitely does not. Its like a lapel that sticks out for you to grab. Sling or no sling, I'd do the same thing: pull it as hard as I can.

    Without a bayonet, (or my spike device or electric shocking device) I am pretty sure getting a shot off or getting a sidearm is much better than relying on your long arm for hand to hand combat. I know I have pretty close to zero experience in this type of stuff but it seems not all things pulled out of people's asses are created equal.
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    The sling is not a hand to hand combat aid, more a 'hands free device' for the weapon. I can let go of the gun without loosing contact with it.
    Like this (but less warry)

    It also makes it impossible for the weapon to be casually taken from me
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    Well darn it I can't find a pic of spike covered armour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    Well darn it I can't find a pic of spike covered armour.
    Your not trying hard enough...now drop and give me 20

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