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Nice work, once again.
I find that the less verbal explaination and conceptualization I use in teaching, the better the results. By better I mean faster, higher quality, and with less fr8ustration for everyone.
I also find that as students get more advanced (like, maybe nikyu, more like ikkyu) they can start to grasp more conceptual things, but only after they can physically do them.
An example would be uchikomi, especially static uchikomi. One halfmark of my students is that they can throw, but suck at uchikomi (by sankyu it gets better, but not until ikkyu do I focus more of breaking things down).Falling for Judo since 1980 -
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8/19/2011 1:42pm--
Was this inspired by the comments to my thread on JF? If so, i'm tickled pink. I'll be forwarding this to my coaches. It may change the way we drill and teach.

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Posted On:
8/19/2011 2:04pm--
I whip my belt off and make a triangle with it on the mat and illustrate the T for all grades from white to black, but only if that's what their main issue is. Often with white belts there's so many things to correct that I leave it out.
Although I agree. Standing there talking at people and whacking out a black board or power point presentation for 20 minutes is not going to get you anywhere.
I try to sneak the concepts in gradually, as you know, we've discussed my progressive throw introduction model before.
Which comments on which thread?
I'm not sure it will be particularly well received its a may seem innocuous but, its actually a pretty controversial thing to say. I would never post this on JF it would be way to much of a headache. Also people who've been doing something one way for 30 odd years don't like being told they're wrong by someone half their age. -
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8/19/2011 2:08pm--
The ones on my randori videos where people give really vague, "improve your kuzushi!" advice.

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8/19/2011 2:15pm--
For rank beginners, my whole progressive scheme involves making sure they do not get too close to uke when trying to throw, so I tend not to mention the triangle thing to them. I use cues that suggest changes in distance and relative position to uke. However, once they start to get it, I'll introduce the triangle concept.
As most of you may have gathered by now, there are different viable approaches to teaching/learning all this stuff.
In my case, I tend to conceptualize as little as possible. My approach is to make sure the student is doing the drill correctly, which will yield positive results without a lot of explanation, or as little as possible as least, and most of that is in terms of cues for correction. The same problems come up again and again, even in more "advanced" students who have done Judo before getting to our dojo.
I don't really know what else to say, except that forgetting about kuzushi is a great phrase.Falling for Judo since 1980 -
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I've had this pointed out to me before, when I was first learning sode tsurikomi goshi and I had huge difficulty with pulling the sleeves, then turning in. My coach basically said what you have, "Stop yanking his sleeve, stopping, turning in and trying to throw him".
Personally I'd love more time conceptualising this sort of thing, and it's one of the reasons you're articles are great. I've no idea how you are as a coach on the mat, but the way you put across your ideas in writing is brilliant. -
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Posted On:
8/19/2011 5:33pm--
Oh right. Yeh that was a part of it its been building up for a while though with many contributory incidents.
Cheers.
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11/04/2011 4:18pm--
Revisiting this: JUK's comments to 'forget about kuzushi' may be a concept that all judoka should consider. I'm not saying JUK's right. But here's my opinion on it:
Kuzushi is not any more than the sum of a number of factors: timing, gripping, footwork, setup, etc. Now this seems like common sense, but how many times have we heard/said something that implies that kuzushi is more than the sum of these factors? In that sense, an overreliance on this concept can cause us to retreat into the magical thinking so common in TMA*.
'Needs more kuzushi' is a phrase often thrown about, but if we consider kuzushi in the way I reccomend above, that is far too vague a statement. What specifically needs improvement? 'Kuzushi' is not itself an adequate answer to this question. One must address the specific factor(s) impeding the success of the throw. If student A has a weak hikite and student B has feet in the wrong place, and we (the instructor) correct these mistakes, we can say in conventional judo parlance "I helped them improve their kuzushi". But clearly we did two seperate things.
In this way kuzushi becomes an unquantifiable concept. And when one gets into the unquantifiable, it's all too easy to retreat into mysticism.
Now I might get flack for this because this might go against something Kano wrote. But I find such orthodoxy pathetic, like Vatican theologists who've never experienced a moment of true spirituality in their lives.** Kano was an innovator, a punk kid who shook up the jujutsu world and applied scientific reasoning to the formerly esoteric. To treat his words as gospel is profoundly disrespectful to his memory.
*I have no interest in debating what is or isn't a TMA. You know what i'm talking about.
**I'm Italian and Puerto Rican, I can say that kindof thing
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8/18/2011 6:56pm
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Forget about Kuzushi