tactical firearms training bullshido

**Rock Ape** · Posted On: 8/31/2011 3:27pm

Well I know I would have lost my range qualification if I'd been conducting that fucking farce. The safety margins/angles were almost non existent. I'm presuming these aren't LEO/ Military operators seen as the shooters ?

The period where you see the (front) shooter drop to the floor allowing the one at the back a line of sight (and shot) of the same target was just fucking jaw-dropping stupid. And as Tgace points out, the episode where the fuckwit shoots into a wooden partition wall as his team mate is accessing that area was a peach.

No ECBA worn at all during the multiples - Idiots.

**downtime** · Posted On: 9/03/2011 11:16am

Well Rock ape kinf of said it. At 1:26 my Jaw actually dropped. Maybe someone should ask the mods to move this to the investigation forumn to see exactly what Spec Ops qualifications these guys have?? just a thought.

**hapkido_keith** · Posted On: 9/05/2011 7:46pm

Originally Posted by downtime

Well Rock ape kinf of said it. At 1:26 my Jaw actually dropped.

Mine too.
I understand that in advanced tactical exercises you would do things that a casual shooter such as myself would never do shooting stationary paper targets at the gun range, but holy **** that was dangerous and I don't see how executing (he he he) those kind of tactics would ever be advantageous.

**3moose1** · Posted On: 9/05/2011 8:52pm

What the ****.

**Rock Ape** · Posted On: 9/06/2011 7:23am

Originally Posted by hapkido_keith

I understand that in advanced tactical exercises you would do things that a casual shooter such as myself would never do shooting stationary paper targets at the gun range.

On my side of the pond, the safety margins (angles) involved in range work for an infantry soldier are different (of course) to those acceptable in actual warfare. Special Operations / Special Forces naturally work differently however, the footage seen in the attached video isn't of SpecOps or SF.

These people are placing themselves in serious risk for no good reason, that in it's self is the highest level of irresponsibility you can achieve beyond being complicit in someone's death through negligence.

**Devil** · Posted On: 9/06/2011 8:09am

What's with the do-si-do maneuvers where they both turn their backs to the target they're facing and re-engage each other's targets? Umm, why??

In my opinion, this **** gets out of hand, even with people who are better trained than these dimwits. Like the stuff Magpul Dynamics does. I know what those guys' backgrounds are. I understand the reasoning for training in unorthodox positions, weapon transitions, fire and maneuver, etc. But they get a LONG way from "I'm up, they see me, I'm down."

A lot of the training that takes place now is a little too Hollywood for my taste. Like someone said earlier, it does attract the delusional ninjer type.

But yeah, these clowns are taking the retardation to a whole new level.

**3moose1** · Posted On: 9/06/2011 8:45pm

Originally Posted by Rock Ape

On my side of the pond, the safety margins (angles) involved in range work for an infantry soldier are different (of course) to those acceptable in actual warfare. Special Operations / Special Forces naturally work differently however, the footage seen in the attached video isn't of SpecOps or SF.

These people are placing themselves in serious risk for no good reason, that in it's self is the highest level of irresponsibility you can achieve beyond being complicit in someone's death through negligence.

Do you guys have to go through all the fricken courses? (ORM/RSO/PSO/Range safety, etc) to staff a range?

Because holy ****, I can't even go on about how horrible that was. Flagging? Blatant disregard for weapons safety rules? 30 mil rule? PSOs? etc...jesus.

**Rock Ape** · Posted On: 9/07/2011 4:20am

Yep, we have different RMQ's, each depends upon the type of range you'll manage.

**Chili Pepper** · Posted On: 9/07/2011 8:41am

Originally Posted by devil

What's with the do-si-do maneuvers where they both turn their backs to the target they're facing and re-engage each other's targets? Umm, why??

I wish we could see the blooper reel, where one guy turns clockwise and the other counter-clockwise and they both end up facing each other's pistol.

... actually, no, on second thought I don't want to see it.

**Bodhidharma** · Posted On: 9/07/2011 10:30pm

Wow.

If these Ninjas rappeled out of the sky into Front Sight (thereby avoiding the $38,600 Platinum Ultra Commando Lifetime Membership with parking and pool access and early condo project notificartion) and took those guys on, who would prevail?

If for no other reason than the superior team cohesion and uber tacticoolness of their uniforms, I'm putting my money on these superheroes. They're like the Harlem Globetrotters of tactical firearm training. I would be surprised if they can't bend bullets.