House of Pain - Mio, MI

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 10/22/2011 9:26pm

Originally Posted by Screamer212

Actually his name is Alrey Handrich. Him and his son both are black belts. They earned them in Sarasota, fl. Seen pictures to prove it. They were working out of the local gym here, which is ran by idiots. Pretty sure it was the gym and NOT actual house of pain that you talked to (it was their number on the website). At that time they has a small room, so yeah maybe it was the owner of the gym who didn't want anymore students.
the gym screwed them over so they moved up town into an independent building. Its under construction and I don't think they have a phone yet. Bigger space so more people. Next time youre in town check it out Im sure they would love to roll with you. By the way they are making a name for themselves, most of VALHALLA'S warriors are undefeated in amiture cage fights ;)

Mauy Tae? Amiture? They Has? Please let us know when you can prove they have 2nd Degree Black Belts in Gracie Jiujitsu.

Thank you.

**TheMightyMcClaw** · Posted On: 10/22/2011 11:23pm

Originally Posted by Screamer212

Actually his name is Alrey Handrich. Him and his son both are black belts. They earned them in Sarasota, fl. Seen pictures to prove it. They were working out of the local gym here, which is ran by idiots. Pretty sure it was the gym and NOT actual house of pain that you talked to (it was their number on the website). At that time they has a small room, so yeah maybe it was the owner of the gym who didn't want anymore students.
the gym screwed them over so they moved up town into an independent building. Its under construction and I don't think they have a phone yet. Bigger space so more people. Next time youre in town check it out Im sure they would love to roll with you. By the way they are making a name for themselves, most of VALHALLA'S warriors are undefeated in amiture cage fights ;)

Having a solid MMA record in the state of Michigan is no sign of strong technical ability. I rolled with a guy who was 10-1 and couldn't execute a guard pass for the life of him.

**Screamer212** · Posted On: 11/06/2011 11:16am

Going to dig at me for spelling errors? Ouch, that really hurt...

Anyways, he knows what he is doing and is an awesome teacher. He lives and breathes mma pretty much all of his life. If you have doubts about if his '2nd degree black belt' come in and put him to the test ;) If not then, :Suspicious: quit talking ****.about someone who is superior. RESPECT bitches ;)

**Azatdawn** · Posted On: 11/06/2011 11:30am

Originally Posted by Screamer212

Going to dig at me for spelling errors? Ouch, that really hurt...

Anyways, he knows what he is doing and is an awesome teacher. He lives and breathes mma pretty much all of his life. If you have doubts about if his '2nd degree black belt' come in and put him to the test ;) If not then, :Suspicious: quit talking ****.about someone who is superior. RESPECT bitches ;)

Can you provide proof of your awesome teacher's 2nd degree Gracie ju jutsu black belt? If yes, do so. If not, leave this thread. Maybe start a thread in YMAS where you brag about how great your teacher is and issue more challenges.

**BackFistMonkey** · Posted On: 11/06/2011 1:07pm

If you could simply state the name of the BJJ black belts and who they received them under.

Also please explain what Alrey and his son have blackbelts in. Unless of course you are claiming Alrey and his son are the Gracie JJ black belts... if so could you elaborate on that ?

Originally Posted by Screamer212

Actually his name is Alrey Handrich. Him and his son both are black belts. They earned them in Sarasota, fl. Seen pictures to prove it. They were working out of the local gym here, which is ran by idiots. Pretty sure it was the gym and NOT actual house of pain that you talked to (it was their number on the website). At that time they has a small room, so yeah maybe it was the owner of the gym who didn't want anymore students.
the gym screwed them over so they moved up town into an independent building. Its under construction and I don't think they have a phone yet. Bigger space so more people. Next time youre in town check it out Im sure they would love to roll with you. By the way they are making a name for themselves, most of VALHALLA'S warriors are undefeated in amiture cage fights ;)

**bigskymma** · Posted On: 11/07/2011 12:50pm

There may be some support for the black belt claim of Handrich:

https://www.gracieuniversity.com/stu...rsChangePage=3

Listed are two handrich's as unverified blackbelts. Listed is a Alrey and a Raven Handrich.

Edit: Note that Raven is only 17. That is an INCREDIBLE age to get a BB.

**Uncle Skippy** · Posted On: 11/07/2011 1:44pm

Originally Posted by bigskymma

There may be some support for the black belt claim of Handrich:

https://www.gracieuniversity.com/stu...rsChangePage=3

Listed are two handrich's as unverified blackbelts. Listed is a Alrey and a Raven Handrich.

Edit: Note that Raven is only 17. That is an INCREDIBLE age to get a BB.

Gracie University allows anyone to sign up and claim any belt they want. That is why they are listed as 'Unverified'. The 'unverified' listings on that site are COMPLETELY void of any proof of anyone's claims.

As an example, in another investigation a guy named 'Sixto Lopez' was listed on Gracie University as an unverified black belt, but it was found that he has only POSSIBLY, MAYBE trained a maximum of 2-3 years. Even then, there is no proof he actually trained at all.

Anyone can claim anything on that site's listings.

Also, for legitimate lineages, the minimum age to earn a black belt is 18/19 years old. Anyone claiming a BJJ Black Belt who is younger than 18/19 does not have a legitimate lineage.

**datdamnmachine** · Posted On: 11/07/2011 5:20pm

Originally Posted by Uncle Skippy

Gracie University allows anyone to sign up and claim any belt they want. That is why they are listed as 'Unverified'. The 'unverified' listings on that site are COMPLETELY void of any proof of anyone's claims.

As an example, in another investigation a guy named 'Sixto Lopez' was listed on Gracie University as an unverified black belt, but it was found that he has only POSSIBLY, MAYBE trained a maximum of 2-3 years. Even then, there is no proof he actually trained at all.

Anyone can claim anything on that site's listings.

Also, for legitimate lineages, the minimum age to earn a black belt is 18/19 years old. Anyone claiming a BJJ Black Belt who is younger than 18/19 does not have a legitimate lineage.

I was trying to remember myself who it was that had the Gracie University profile as well. I'm starting to notice this a lot more in threads. People are creating "black belt" profiles on the websites of well known BJJ personalities. I'm curious, in general, if this has been going on for a while now or is this something new due to the proliferation of said sites?

**Uncle Skippy** · Posted On: 11/07/2011 6:07pm

Originally Posted by datdamnmachine

I was trying to remember myself who it was that had the Gracie University profile as well. I'm starting to notice this a lot more in threads. People are creating "black belt" profiles on the websites of well known BJJ personalities. I'm curious, in general, if this has been going on for a while now or is this something new due to the proliferation of said sites?

In hopes of not going too far off topic, in an effort to build BJJ communities, lots of big names and organizations have opened up their namesake web sites to the general public. People can create profiles, claim whatever they want, and there is an implied weight behind those claims due to association with the larger name.

Gracie University is one example. Even though it says "Unverified", a lot of people still take it at face value. The Handrich's in this thread and Sixto Lopez in another created their profiles and I'm sure make mention of said profile for verification of their ranks.

There are other instances that are similar: Stuart Hamby on Marcello Monteiro's BJJ Coach site for example, Sixto Lopex (again) on BJ Penn's community site, etc...

Of course the very legitimate big names want to push their brand, but people are capitalizing on those names to try to gain legitimacy. I don't know what the answer is, but that is a discussion for a different thread (trying to kill thread drift).

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 11/07/2011 6:12pm

It has been going on for a a few years. At one point, I stumbled upon a massive cache listing of these deleted profiles about a year ago maybe two. I never thought anything about it until now. Ironically, I noticed them while looking at sxito lopez and stumbled upon the deletions.