What is the value of a suplex?

***Omega Supreme*** · Posted On: 8/13/2011 4:12pm

I have video proof that I've suplexed people in competitions?

**W. Rabbit** · Posted On: 8/13/2011 4:27pm

OH bless Kyrgyzstan (.kg)...

This video answers any question you could have about the effectiveness of suplexes, especially in professional MMA.

Not that Omega's videos aren't as good as this one...but I don't think any other suplex video comes close to back-to-back killer suplexes. Especially when the guy pulling them off is Dan Severn.

"Both in the black trunks....moustache to Severn". Gotta love early UFC.

Suplex #1 @ 4:57
Suplex #2 @ 5:05 (8 seconds later).

http://www.blive.kg/video:70626/

**Super8astard** · Posted On: 8/13/2011 6:30pm

Originally Posted by W. Rabbit

OH bless Kyrgyzstan (.kg)...

This video answers any question you could have about the effectiveness of suplexes, especially in professional MMA.

Not that Omega's videos aren't as good as this one...but I don't think any other suplex video comes close to back-to-back killer suplexes. Especially when the guy pulling them off is Dan Severn.

"Both in the black trunks....moustache to Severn". Gotta love early UFC.

Suplex #1 @ 4:57
Suplex #2 @ 5:05 (8 seconds later).

http://www.blive.kg/video:70626/

I remember jumping off the couch when I saw that fight back in high school. A few things about it lead me right back to the same questions though... First off, Severn is a fucking monster and Anthony looks like he was carved out of a broomstick. The 70 lb advantage definately helped the success of those sup's. And second, neither of them looked like they did anything more than give Severn a better position, which was part of my question in the first place. They were beautiful though...

**W. Rabbit** · Posted On: 8/13/2011 8:24pm

Originally Posted by Super8astard

And second, neither of them looked like they did anything more than give Severn a better position

I think you should watch them a few more times so you knock this silly thought out of your head. Or just watch Macias' face before and after the 5:05 mark, when he obviously doesn't know what planet he's on anymore.

**Super8astard** · Posted On: 8/13/2011 8:41pm

Originally Posted by W. Rabbit

I think you should watch them a few more times so you knock this silly thought out of your head. Or just watch Macias' face before and after the 5:05 mark, when he obviously doesn't know what planet he's on anymore.

lol, the guy was certainly horrified afterwards, and probably dizzy as well, so obviously the OMG factor played in. Still, being that he was <200 with a 260lb gorilla on his back it's not really convincing the throws are why he couldn't get up. Specially considering he was still tryig to fight off a choke.

There'sno doubt about the results, those throws won the fight for him... But could he do that to Frye or Coleman? Or even another fighter that size, like Royce Gracie maybe?

I'm not trying to discredit Severn or the suplex's he used, I hope it doesn't sound like that... I'm just asking if he would've even tried it on a guy he didn't have a massive weight advantage on, or a guy who's heard of grappling.

**Lindz** · Posted On: 8/13/2011 8:55pm

I've been looking for this video since this thread first popped up

you don't have to be bigger to hit a massive suplex

**Super8astard** · Posted On: 8/13/2011 10:26pm

Originally Posted by W. Rabbit

Now that you mention it, you should go look up why Dan Severn didn't win UFC4.

BJJ beat catch wrestling that day. (14+m guard).

Yeah, I know, that was kinda the point...

Originally Posted by W. Rabbit

Yes.

There's no way to say this without sounding like a smartass lol... Why didn't he then?

**Super8astard** · Posted On: 8/13/2011 10:28pm

Originally Posted by Lindz

I've been looking for this video since this thread first popped up

you don't have to be bigger to hit a massive suplex

Good throw, but doesn't change anything. He did more damage to himself there, if that had been done in a parking lot....

***jnp*** · Posted On: 8/13/2011 10:35pm

Second round of posts moved here: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=108312

**Kave** · Posted On: 8/14/2011 3:33am

I'm a fan of the suplex in a sports environment, it's a relatively easy move to execute (compared to other high-scoring throws like the flying mare) and gives you a lot of points, and can also translate into a good position.

In a self defence environment I would be weary of using it as it strikes me that if you pull it off successfully and spike their head in to the ground you may hurt them more than you planned (and end up in a jail cell), whereas if you execute it more as a throw, and land them on their shoulders or back, then very little would be gained, other than being an overly dramatic way of taking someone to the ground.