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  1. Hedgehogey is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Tani Otoshi in the wrong hands is plenty go-tarded as you put it. I've seen more colored belts rip uke knees with Tani Otoshi than any other throw in the Gokyo.
    Well that term generally means "dependant on strength and/or explosiveness" not "liable to injure" although there's plenty of overlap (see: can openers from guard, the entirety of catch wrestling).

    Not saying you would do that, all the one's you've shown were plenty safe.
    In the interests of my partners' safety though, how does that injury usually happen?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master View Post
    The video says "german suplex"... I thought a german suplex was when you were front-to-front with the opponent, and a standard suplex was when you were front-to-back with your opponent. Do I have this wrong?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suplex#German_suplex
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    Quote Originally Posted by kismasher View Post
    one could argue that a value of the suplex is being able to gain strong positional control without severely injuring someone. especially a drunk dumbass that will probably regret their actions later.
    True

    As a bouncer, it's a way to take down someone who's trying to resist removal, too big to push out, and not violent enough to throw or dog-pile. If you feel that hurting people sucks.

    @CoffeeFan Like many throws and takedowns, you can dump someone soft or hard, on a soft piece to land on, or a hard one.

    Suplex is a broad category, though. A gut-wrench and scramble can get you on top of a drunk without too much trouble. A technical, dump-some-fella-on-his-head suplex, however, is beyond the scope of my experience. And probably not often warranted outside of competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master View Post
    The video says "german suplex"... I thought a german suplex was when you were front-to-front with the opponent, and a standard suplex was when you were front-to-back with your opponent. Do I have this wrong?
    A German supplex front-to-front could be the r34l d34dly or at least the r34l c4r33r3nd3r.
    Here in Belgium it's even considered an illegal move in Wrestling, Grappling and MMA.
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    Okay, I for some reason feel the need to take a crack at this. A suplex has the same value as any other dynamic throw to physically slam an opponent into the ground, which is to inflict bodily harm. It is separated from your garden variety judo/wrestling throw in that when done correctly it will land your opponent on his head/neck/shoulder area. It has potential if done exactly correct to knock your opponent unconscious. Note that any other throw can break ribs, knock the wind out, bang the back of someones head against the mat/concrete, as well. Its definitely among the more difficult throws to master, and most decent grapplers won't give up the type of control you need to throw one properly. If there are people watching it might get you a round of beers and some vajayjay later for making you look badass, but its not the be all end all that people make it out to be. This being said, somebody suplexed me once and it was certainly demoralizing, much scarier than a Japanese wizzer or a hiptoss, so there could be a psychological component too it. That and its a cool word to say, sssuuuuppplleexxx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conde Koma View Post
    the thing i personally like about suplexes or any bodyslam is that i feel like a superhero, especially using them against bigger people.
    I think this is a major factor too, and it has a demoralising effect on the other guy.

    Being somewhat bad at fighting, I have yet to suplex anyone, but I can confirm the devastating psychological effect it has on the recipient.

    I think the fact that it generally doesn't cause too much damage makes it even worse, sort of like he's toying with you.

    Edit: Doh, kenny_free beat me to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedgehogey View Post
    In the interests of my partners' safety though, how does that injury usually happen?
    They take you diagonally backwards over them rather than straight backwards over the leg.



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    The bottom line is a suplex is a throw in your arsenal that many have very little defense against. I've always found it easy to pull off and keep it in reserve for those who I think can handle it.
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    Two things:
    1) if you need to save energy use Tani Otoshi like Hedge said.
    2) The Fedor example is not an example of a good suplex it is an example of an AMAZING breakfall.
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    If you use a lot of energy for a suplex you're doing it wrong.
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