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    Quote Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master View Post
    I would rather have leg and back muscles that were built up through doing squats and deadlifts than equally large muscles that were developed as a last-ditch effort to keep you able to stand up because you got too fat.
    I agree with everything you said except the above. I can't even begin to understand how those muscles would know the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Been thinking about this thread and my experience as a little guy with fat guys. Hear me out but I don't think your fat guy muscle is muscle you want to keep. If it is mostly muscle in your legs and back and general weight bearing support muscle what good is it doing you in your fight training? You aren't piggy backing people and if you do compete wouldn't that muscle do you more favors in different parts of your body for the same weight?
    Really the reason for keeping the actual muscle (rather than gross strength) is metabolic. More muscle = higher resting metabolic rate. Beyond that I think it's mostly deadlift type strength which I'd rather keep and have a better deadlift than sacrifice and have to regain it in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Jebus Christos! How can I have a Crush on TaeBo_master!? I haven't uprated him since he had a hot teenager for an avatar!
    I've discovered it has to do with giving "thumbs up"s. There are a lot of people on this site that I seem to have crushes on, yet never give them direct rep. But it doesn't work the other way around. You can give someone rep first, then thumbs up their post; if you liked something enough to go to that effort.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Phillips View Post
    I agree with everything you said except the above. I can't even begin to understand how those muscles would know the difference.
    It's not the muscles, it's the Central Nervous System. Muscles by themselves do nothing. They only contract and perform actions when directed to by the nervous system. The CNS controls all the relevant factors: motor unit firing rate, motor unit synchronization, motor unit selection, duration, intensity, etc. etc. etc. Most of this takes place in the lower brain, which is largely subconscious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master View Post
    It's not the muscles, it's the Central Nervous System. Muscles by themselves do nothing. They only contract and perform actions when directed to by the nervous system. The CNS controls all the relevant factors: motor unit firing rate, motor unit synchronization, motor unit selection, duration, intensity, etc. etc. etc. Most of this takes place in the lower brain, which is largely subconscious.
    Of course I know all that (and said as much to someone else in an earlier post). My experience is that the fat-guy strength is basically deadlift strength. In grappling it is mostly posturing strength.
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    It might seem that way, but it's not. Sure, there are similarities, but the loading pattern is different, the involved stabilization muscles are different, and the deadlift uses a much greater total of muscles. Think about it. In a deadlift, the weight is below you and slightly in front. You have to use grip muscles to hold the bar, and a substantial amount of upper body muscle to connect your hands and arms to your spine, pelvis, legs, and ultimately feet.

    If anything, it would be more similar to squat strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master View Post
    It might seem that way, but it's not. Sure, there are similarities, but the loading pattern is different, the involved stabilization muscles are different, and the deadlift uses a much greater total of muscles. Think about it. In a deadlift, the weight is below you and slightly in front. You have to use grip muscles to hold the bar, and a substantial amount of upper body muscle to connect your hands and arms to your spine, pelvis, legs, and ultimately feet.

    If anything, it would be more similar to squat strength.
    Absolutely more similar to squats, but I said "In my experience" and I don't do barbell squats. In fact I think anyone who does barbell backsquats or bench press near their max, at home, without a spotter is INSANE.
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    If you wanna keep your "fat guy" muscle... then stay fat. If you wanna lose the fat but stay strong, your only real option is to weight train heavy. I don't know if there's much more to say on the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master View Post
    I would rather have leg and back muscles that were built up through doing squats and deadlifts than equally large muscles that were developed as a last-ditch effort to keep you able to stand up because you got too fat.
    But peasant legs are awesum for... peasanting , and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaeBo_Master View Post
    If you wanna keep your "fat guy" muscle... then stay fat. If you wanna lose the fat but stay strong, your only real option is to weight train heavy. I don't know if there's much more to say on the matter.
    Can you recommend a diet that will enable me to keep the muscle by staying fat?

    In all seriousness though, I the reason for the thread was just to estimate the lean tissue loss. I thought 34 pounds was a pretty shocking result.
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